mASF post by "Paraiso"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, July 7, 2005
>
>So I read RJ's responses again. I still
>I miss the link between his post and the
>topic of direct/indirect. He doesn't
>even bring up the terms 'direct' or
>'indirect' in his response for example.
>To me his post sounds rather spiritual
>and seems to be about his personal
>(speed seduction» related)inner game» more
>than about the distinction between
>direct/indirect. Correct me if I'm
>wrong.
That's what you're missing. Trust me. I know marketing when I see it. This
guy is a good marketer, but he wasn't marketing this. He's probably trying to
cash in on this direct versus indirect, but his advice was sound. That he's
all marketing and no one takes him serious, is his bad. Direct has a lot to do
with inner game». When you operate at that level all you have is your inner
game.
>When somebody some tine ago played me
>shark's CD I actually was surprised
>about how his way of opening matched
>with mine.
How did you back it up?
Did you lead? Where you confident that you would have this woman?
Because you can open a woman directly by telling her she's beautiful or
whatever and then linger around like a total ass hole if you don't follow it
up.
>'i like you' is not always the first
>thing that I say to a girl (sometimes it
>is but not always). I say 'i like you'
>to somebody if i mean it. If a girl just
>looks hot but she has showed me nothing
>yet fascinates me, I won't tell her
>straight away that I like her. I first
>need to really like something about her.
Why go for girls that don't shock you instantaneously? That's why guy's that
go direct approach so little. They approach maybe one or two chicks a night
because they go for high caliber girls. Now if you did direct you would
understand this. I learned this from Badboy.
>Now but sometimes a girl just moves and
>acts in way that moves me instantly. In
>this case just 1 glance of her will be
>enough for me to walk up to her and say
>'I like you' imediately.
>
Cool. Tell th people here what her response is.
>Generally I will first just check a girl
>out. I will seek EC with her. I will see
>how she reacts. With me how a girl
>reacts is really important standard for
>me to like her.
That's beautour own chances and ifiul and all, but you'rre being reactive not
proactive.
Make your own chances. Create something out of nothing. That's what a real
PUa is. Isn't it?
>Usually the girl then approaches me or
>gives me an IOI / AI for me to approach
>her. So she approaches me, or I approach her.
>
>Also If i approach her, I will just look
>at her, so SHE will open me. The girl is
>almost the first to open her mouth and
>say somethin. Although sometimes I will
>just tell her that i like the way she
>looks at me.
This is Paimai. I like this. If you can get girls to approach you then more
power to you. Would you ask her opinion on something after they approach you?
I would just lead her at this point ala direct.
>
>Anyhow -> Usually she will typically ask
>me: "why do you look at me like this?".
>I will typically tell her: "I like to
>look at you". She will be slightly
>tranced ask me why or somthing else. I
>will tell her, while looking at her in
>this special way, using a certain
>tonality: "I look at you[pause] because
>[pause] I find you .. pleasing [pause]
>to look at". Now I say it in dutch,
>because i'm dutch, and i translated it
>to english here. So i don't kow if this
>construction using 'pleasing' is odd or
>correct. anyhow you guys shouldn't
>litteraly copycat. Speak to girl in your
>own words; congruent to your identity.
You will have to realize that oranje girls in a big town like Amsterdam or
Rotterdam are dying for a guy as well. Not that I'm trivializing your
response. I just want you to notice a pattern. Women want a man that is real.
The majority of them are turned off by a player. Let me rephrase that. They
want a man not a little boy.
>
>About the delivery that i have: A PUA
>that once observed me is a guy that
>studied hypnosis and nlp a lot. He said
>that while talking to the girl I talked
>it in a certain way, and looked in her
>eyes in certain way. He described this
>way as hypnotical. This might be so. I
>leave this to experts to judge.
When you look at a woman's eye and you're telling her exactly what you feel
then you're being direct.
>To me, when i open a girl (directly) and
>i talk and look at her, it feels that
>i'm totally calibrating with her. When i
>say callibrating i mean callibratin with
>EC, tonality and all other BL. Like me
>and her are together in our shared
>world. Like the rest of the people and
>noise are fading to vague dots in the
>horizon. I believe that when you feel a
>connection it will also evoke this
>connection to actually establish between
>you and the person in front of you. Now,
>with me .. how i see this .. that's how
>i would probably share this view with RJ
>;-).
Funny. I get where you're coming from. Trust me indirect is not the way for
you.
>
>My direct way of opening goes pretty
>well like 1 in 3 times. Some girls just
>don't know how to handle such a direct
>approach, or start testing me really
>heavily. I don't like that. I have quite
>a romantic worldview. The girl of my
>dreams wouldn't test me like really
>heavy. It's not what i like, it's not
>like i imagined passion between me and
>my dreamgirl to be when i was a little
>boy age 8 ;-) So i might next if testing
>is so heavy that i don't find it
>ammusing anymore and i like it more to
>start playing with another girl.
Then thank god. Are you in it for just getting any girl or are you ready to
step to the next level where you get the girls you actually like and recognize
that.
>Now let's return to Paraiso's claim: Is
>my direct game similar to the direct
>game that most people here know about? I
>wouldn't know. I'd be very interested to
>hear from you and other guys. I'd like
>it very much if you'd share your views
>about this after having read about my
>direct way of opening that I used a lot.
Direct is not just an opener. I wouldn't know because you seem to think that
it's just an opener. Explain and I'll tell you.
>I never tell a chick she is hot. And if
>I listened to shark's CD carefully, I
>thought I remember that he tells also to
>not compliment girl on her body but on
>something nonphysical that you like
>about her. This is what i always do. For
>me i like girl for the way she looks and
>moves. So usually I tell her that? So
>walking up to girl and telling her she's
>hot if another type of direct approach I
>think. I might get you fools mate in the
>club with a drunken chick :D Or maybe
>you can pull it if you deliver it like
>playful joke, but i doubt wether it's
>good strategy.
You can pull it off if you just have the basic understandings down. You can
tell a chick anything you want, but if you don't truly believe you can have her
then it's not going to work. ASk any natural. If you truly don't believe that
you can have any woman then you'll be stuck at a level where you don't know
what's possible.
>Paraiso:
>>What I've learned from these dudes is
>>that direct is not just a style. It's a
>>way in which to carry yourself and the
>>effects it has on you. If you live your
>>life without excuses you live better.
>>This means you make no excuses for
>>yourself and more importantly, you don't
>>use excuses to talk to women.
>
>What you state here is really important.
>I couldn't agree more. But JUST THIS is
>not good enough. And all players that
>say only inner game» and self image is
>all you need: no! that is NOT true. And
>guru's that say this are A) lying or
>B)they know how to game but don't REALLY
>understand why their game is working.
>
>I can't stress enough: You also need :
>
>-> social skills,
>-> understanding of how (secret) society
>works (or 'matrix', or whatever similar
>trendy term is popular these days),
>-> and sometimes you need to play along
>with widely accepted types of 'excuses'
>(beliefs).
>
>I don't just say this to shock if you
>read this and think this. To proof this,
>Let me illustrate:
>
>For some time I used to never make any
>excuses and ALSO don't accept excuses
>from >others<. This last thing is really
>hard. Because women are always full of
>excuses. you have to understand and
>accept that are like this. If you don't,
>you can not like them. And if you don't
>really like a woman, if deep inside you
>see her as some kind of enemy that needs
>to be 'gamed' really hard, you will not
>get success. You have to remember that
>you guys (you and your chick) are on the
>same side and have the same goal: to
>find passion together. You have to make
>it happen with her.
A pick up artist only goes for women he likes. Otherwise he wouldn't leave
his house. This is what's funny to me. I know that what you believe is the
most important thing in PU. What you say and what you do all stems from this.
If you don't believe me then try this; Next time you're out confront all of
your fears. When you have extinguished them all then tell me otherwise.
What the fuck do you think makes you a part of the secret society? It all
boils down to how you percieve yourself.
>Paraiso:
>>All the talk
>>about direct being just an opener is
>>nonsense because of one simple factor.
>>When you make no excuses for yourself
>>you begin to realize how easy the game
>>really is. When you get used to living
>>at the level of awareness that truly not
>>giving a shit about what others say
>>about you allows you to, then you'd
>>understand.
>
>Wtf you mean with this? It's totally
>unclear to me. Somehow it seems like an
>argument to say direct is not just about
>the way of opening. But I don't
>understand what your actual argument is
>here. Please elaborate.
It's about hanging your balls out ther that's what.
>Paraiso:
>>You can also have a ratings system for
>>dicks that stir up needless drama in
>>their threads just to get a conversation
>>rolling on a subject they like. Read
>>your second post and you'll see that you
>>did just this. I can't believe you'd
>>make such a suggestion. You're a
>>fucking joke.
>
>I agree with you. I'm against needless
>drama also. Though my way of reacting to
>posts, has now two times provoked
>interesting on topic discussion. Firstly
>with woodhaven. Secondly with you.
>Btw, please be as kind as to tell me,
>because just a second I really need an
>opinion here... I know a guy on this
>forum who says he don't like needless
>drama. Now this is the same guy who is
>calling me a "dick" and a "fucking
>joke", to try to act alpha. What you
>guys think about him? Hehe. Doesn't
>matter pal. I'm just teasing you because
>i like you. It was a pleasure responding
>to your post. I'm interested to see what
>you and other guys have to say about my
>response to it.
If you think that calling you a dick or a joke makes me feel alpha then you
believe what you want. My validation comes from the field. The pussy I get
gives me a lot more pleasure than calling you a joke. Trust me.
>
>Feel welcome to reply. I like it to be
>back on this forum.
>
>Moonwalker
>
>PS. Thanks also to all other guys that
>replied. I carefully read all your
>replies and if I don't awnser them all,
>doens't mean that I didn't read them and
>appreciated them. Thx.
Stop kissing ass. why do the Dutch have an inferiority complex? You won Euro
88 with Gullit, Van Basten and Rijkaard. Stop apologizing. Ha Ha Ha!
Paraiso
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