mASF post by "MrSex4uNYC"
posted on: USENet: alt.seduction.fast newsgroup, June 6, 2001>MrSex4uNYC <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:20010606101133.27586.00000305@ng-ct1.aol.com...
>> >Ok, I have questions about MLTR's, and how you go about setting them up.
>> >
>> >The chicks I sarge (usually between 18 - 22) would just see that as plain
>> >out cheating on them, and wouldn't ever go for it.
>>
>> cheating on THEM? who the fuck are THEY? how did YOU become their
>PROPERTY?
>>
>> this is your problem right here. you are seeing relationships from a
>> one-on-one perspective. research polyamory.
>>
>
>I think you misunderstood me here. I wrote this in the chicks
>perspective.
>SHE would see it as ME cheating on HER (as I was not planning to
>manage
>relationship expectations properly I later discover from reading your
>post)
you answered your own question. it doesn't matter WHOSE perspective you are
writing from... NEITHER ONE OF YOU should perceive the situation as CHEATING.
if you have a friend... guy or girl... are you CHEATING on them when you go to
the movies with some other guy or girl? same thing with "relationships".
there IS no cheating because there IS no entitlement by decree.
>I'll look into the polyamory relationships though - I understand them
>as
>being a one to many relationship at the moment.
more importantly, go with the flow. if you like 2 chicks and want to fuck them
both, make it happen. if one of them doesn't like it, or both of them don't
like it, EJECT the troublemaker and keep going with just one chick. as you
keep sarging, you will meet a girl that values you for what you do to and for
her... NOT what you do to and for another chick during the time that you are
not with her.
>> chicks know that you are going to do what you want to do when you want to
>do it
>> and if they don't like it, they can leave because there are other chicks
>DYING
>> to be in the position she's in right now, they tend to get in line... AS
>LONG
>> AS you are providing their lives with QUALITY that they don't feel they
>can
>> find in another man :)
>
>I think that's a very interesting point. You have to make the chicks
>believe
>that you are special in a certain way, and provide EVERYTHING (or more
>than
>the rest can even come close to) that they believe they will ever need
>in a
>man.
that's right. make her understand what her reasons are for chasing YOU and
wanting YOU in her life. as long as she feels like she is doing YOU a favor by
being with you, SHE calls the shots... not you.
>An understanding of eliciting values
>and the ability to efficiently show her you have these values is
>needed for
>this. I'm hoping I'll get better with practise :)
critically important.
>> >However, after declaring this, I'm sure they would feel cheated and so
>would
>> >end our relationship - no more for the Laser :(
>>
>> WHAT RELATIONSHIP? again... one-on-one thinking. I don't blame you. I
>> thought this way for a long time myself... or tried to.
>
>Ok, this is all me. What I meant here was the 'relationship' between
>me and
>a next chick, not that we are IN a relationship. Just like you will
>have a
>relationship with your best friend, or your sister or whoever, it
>doesn't
>mean that you are IN a relationship with your best friend, sister etc.
>I
>would have a relationship with the chick, which she would end if I
>fucked
>around.
how many girls that you know, that have a relationship to you that is only
friendship would STOP BEING YOUR FRIEND if you fuck some bitch? none.
BECAUSE you entered into a non-verbal girlfriend/boyfriend agreement with her,
you are afraid that if you pull back to FB, she's going to NEXT you. that is a
legitimate concern. just don't confuse this situation with a situation where
you are actually FRIENDS and then you fuck some girl and your FRIEND considers
you to be cheating.
>This would be due to shitty managed relationship expectations
>on my
>behalf, which would lead her to believe (as I never planned on saying
>otherwise :) that we were in a 'typical' relationship.
right
>After reading this NG, I'm never gonna get into a 'typical'
>relationship again.
good idea :)
>Trying to start MLTR's from within a 'typical' relationship
>would be
>disastrous, and just like you said - you'd be ducking and weaving all
>the
>time.
also, you are now representing yourself as a DIFFERENT person. all the girls
that have attained ANY form of "relationship" with me had to FIGHT for it.
they knew I wasn't interested in keeping chicks from the beginning. they knew
sex is casual to me from the beginning. they saw VALUE in me and FOUGHT to get
a consistent piece of my time for their very own. if they demonstrated enough
VALUE and DETERMINATION, I would give them a shot to be more than "some bitch"
to me. if I had met them as a guy who was INTERESTED in a girlfriend and then
CHANGED and said "SURPRISE! :) NOW I WANT TO FUCK ALL YOUR GIRLFRIENDS AND
YOUR MOTHER TOO!" that would be disasterous :)
>My bad, I'll make myself clearer in the future :)
>
>I really tried to
>buy
>> into the idea of "one guy, one girl" but it's REALLY TOUGH for a guy that
>has
>> girls looking at him DAILY like they are really interested in meeting me
>or
>> whatever else comes to her mind.
>
>Awww, poor baby! Must be a nightmare :)
hehe. I manage :)
> when you attract girls naturally, it doesn't
>> make any sense to pick one and stay with her only because opportunities
>are
>> being placed in front of you all the time, by chicks you have never met
>before
>> that are just CHARMED by your presence.
>
>I see now how MLTR works a lot easier for you than it will for me!
only until you REFRAME your view of relationships where you are the prize and
she is coming after you for what you are bringing into her life... then MLTR
will be (essentially) for you the same thing it is for me.
>I have
>females approaching me in clubs and stuff, but I never find them
>attractive
>enough for me to want to get with.
you can still pawn these girls for social proof and they can still invite you
to parties. sub-elites are still leverage against girls you would actually go
out with because you have options for sex AND you have options for meeting the
friends of the sub-elites and potentially meeting the girl that will outshine
the one that is begging you for monogamy.
>Same with girls in uni who develop
>crushes on me (don't get me wrong, there's only two :) .I also have
>females
>see me and then come stand next to me (like within two feet) on public
>transport / clubs / waiting for the bus (which my cousin tells me
>equals the
>female equivalent of approaching a guy), but I don't see that as them
>approaching me.
that IS their approach. it's up to YOU to initiate conversation with them or
AT LEAST eye contact, so they feel it is safe to talk to you and they won't get
shot down.
>From what you've written, females forever approach you and it just
>remains
>for you to show interest or not.
basically, but it's not exactly that simple. chicks pay a lot of attention to
me and they are curious about me and some feel sexy as soon as they see me. I
just get a jump start on the process where I don't have to GENERATE interest in
myself by juggling or doing card tricks... the interest is there naturally.
it's up to me to let them know that I AM exactly who they thought I was when
they started having those sexy thoughts :)
>If that is the case, I can see how
>you
>might have an easier time achieving the attitude needed for a MLTR to
>work
>in your favour (where you can fuck others, but she can't).
see another post on this. this is my policy for a PRIMARY. the other chicks
can do whatever the fuck they want to do :)
>Since you're a 'natural', I don't suppose it'll help much if I ask you
>what
>you do to get these chicks to feel so 'charmed by your prescence'
it's a gift from God... THANK GOD! :) also, genetically passed to me by my
father.
>that they
>decide to initiate a conversation with you (I'm assuming here that
>they do).
>Is there a way that you know they are interested in meeting you?
chicks DO NOT initiate conversation. the closest they will come is "do you
have the time" or something. the problem is that they walked past 7 guys with
watches to ask YOU for the time... get it?
>> ANY TIME I have EVER been with a girl
>> in a "relationship", including my MLTR that's been reaping benefits from
>me for
>> a LONG TIME now... I have been doing that chick a FAVOR! I don't NEED to
>fuck
>> her. I don't cherish her personality so much that I would do anything to
>keep
>> her by my side. fuck it! all she can do by leaving me is cut HERSELF off
>from
>> hot sex. I will either promote another chick that I haven't been giving
>any
>> time to OR sarge another one that wants the position and knows what she
>has to
>> do to keep it.
>
>Would you feel ANY sense of loss, or do you just acknowledge the loss and
>overcome it by getting in a new chick? I'm curious as to the workings of
>your mind, as I like MANY of your techniques and am trying to
>incorporate as much of your game into mine.
if I had to demote or NEXT my primary, there would be the sense of loss of a
STABLE, RELIABLE, INTELLIGENT friend. the sexual loss is ZERO because there
are TONS of hot chicks in this town. I would miss the levels of interaction I
could have with her because we are so compatible... but what turns me on is how
I feel SEXUALLY for a chick. I would be MUCH more upset if I weren't around
girls that I was strongly sexually attracted to, than losing an intelligent
female friend.
>>also, from how you speak about
>> the issue, I assume you pitched to her that she would be your "girlfriend"
so
>> that you could get her to fuck.
>
>As for my mindset, you're right as to where I come from ( only
>occasionally though), but I'm hoping to learn and change.
>
>> if this girlfriend status goes, so does her
>> incentive to fuck you. if you had pitched it as friends with benefits, or
>> simply that you are offering her an opportunity to get with something
>good, she
>> would see another chick entering the picture as competition for HER sex...
>she
>> will naturally step up to the plate and improve herself or accept her
>place
>> BEHIND the next chick.
>
>Sounds good! Chicks fighting for us for a change, rather than the
>typical
>shit :(
that's how it is
>> >Dangerous to say the least
>> >(she might go wacko on the ASSUMPTION that we WERE in a one to one
>> >relationship)
>>
>> that's right. since you didn't manage her relationship expectations from
>the
>> beginning, she might flip out on you when she realizes what she's REALLY
>been
>> doing for the time she was with you, while she's been deceiving herself
>that
>> she was in a committed, monogamous relationship.
>>
>
>When you talk about managing relationship expectations, do you mean to
>make
>sure the chick knows what to expect from our relationship ie. let her
>know
>that we are not in a 'typical' relationship? That sounds about right
>to me,
>but I need to make sure we're clear because I'd like to know I'm
>understanding you fully.
not exactly... just make sure she knows who you are. it's tricky, balancing
this with regurgitating HER VALUES to her. if you want to fuck her fast, find
out what she's looking for and convince her that you are looking for the same
thing. if you want to have a relationship with her with no hassles, make sure
she knows who YOU ARE as opposed to what she wants you to be. these two ideas
present a conflict. this is why ONS is so simple. you don't have to worry
about keeping her, so you can tell her ANYTHING you want. you have to walk the
line between the two so that she knows that you can fulfill her needs AND she
knows what YOU are willing to do and accept in a relationship.
>> >but more importantly, I'd also like to keep them as friends
>> >at least (incase I need their non sexual favours in the future).
>>
>> OR their sexual favors in the future
>
>That too, but the other (in my eyes) is more important IF she has something
>no other chick can give me (non sexual here), such as a good word with
>a firm I want to work with (say she's fucking the boss or works there
>already), contacts that I'll want her to pursue for me, a place to
>stay when I'm in town, packet of biscuits :) You get the pic, sex can come
from
>any chick!
that's absolutely right... very healthy perspective :)
that's how I see chicks anyway... what's in it for me? I already have pussy.
what ELSE are you bringing to the table? why should I give you a chance
instead of getting laid with a chick who has PROVEN her worth to me already?
>> >So I'm sure there is more to setting this up than I'm aware of, but what
>is
>> >it? Do you just make clear from the start that your relationship is
>'open'
>> >and you are BOTH allowed to fuck whoever you like,
>>
>> you are trying to convince her that she has a
>> SPECIAL place with you and other chicks do not. that isn't MLTR. the
>reason
>> you are with her is because you like her and you want to be with her. the
>> reason you are with other chicks is that you like them and want to be with
>> them. let the best chick win! :)
>>
>
>Interesting. I always thought that you might say to a chick how you think
>she is better than the others just to keep her sweet, but I guess this
>would do more harm than good right, as she'll see that as some sort of
>leverage for her to 'call shots' with right?
now you're thinking :) complementing her does you no good except as positive
reinforcement for something she has done for you. not "you are better,
period"... but "you are better... BECAUSE". linking her being "better" to her
ways of being gives her incentive to keep acting that way. linking it to her
being an individual allows her to do whatever she wants because you will be
pleased with her REGARDLESS. you have to let them know that they are ahead for
a reason and they can be overtaken by another chick if they slack off.
>> if she wants
>> to be with another guy and I find out about it, she is demoted AT LEAST to
FB
>> because I'll still fuck her if she's with another guy... but I'm going to
spend
>> my time, money and energy on a chick that DESERVES IT by meeting my
>> qualifications for being MY #1 CHICK :)
>
>Hold on. Your primary is not fucking anyone else (as far as you know :)
>because she'll get demoted if she does, but KNOWS that you do?
>HAHAHAHA!!
>That's fucking cool mate!
SHE wanted the position. she knew who I was and WANTED to be with me. as far
as I know, she isn't fucking anyone else. I have told her that even if she
does, she needs to make SURE I don't find out about it because she WILL be
demoted :) I give her the green light to do it, but she knows the
consequences. besides... she is my PRIMARY, so I MAKE SURE to give her all the
sex she wants WHENEVER she wants it. if she NEEDS more sex than I give her...
I hear that! :) I also strive to give her peak experiences, so even if she is
curious about what a guy might be able to do to her... she KNOWS that I can
take her over the top, and will do so at the drop of a hat. no questions
asked. she wants it, she gets it. no stipulations, no negotiations... PURE
SEX... available to her 24 hours a day. it's part of her benefits package as
my PRIMARY... just like Air Force 1 is one of the benefits of being the
president :)
>How about the other MLTR's? Do they fuck others as well as you or what?
I don't konw unless they tell me about it. I don't care. it doesn't matter.
it's like having one MAIN girl and a bunch of FB... like a burger and a bunch
of fries. who cares what the fries are doing? the burger is the main
attraction :)
>Doesn't it ever become a hassle when you want to see her in particular and
>she's fucking him and so can't fuck you, or is a fuck a fuck ie. you call
>another chick and fuck her instead?
THAT'S why my PRIMARY has to be all about me. SHE is the only one that has to
be available to me whenever I want to see her. if her attention is divided
between me and some other guy, what happens is that I want to go out with
friends and their girlfriends and I call my PRIMARY and she says she can't make
it because she is going to the movies with her other boyfriend. nope! :) fuck
that. the primary is like the "firsl lady". Clinton used to show up to
dinners and summits and press conferences with Hillary... but he was getting
blown and fucking all these other bitches. do you think he was concerned with
whether monica was fucking or sucking some other guy? do you think he was
concerned that monica couldn't make it to the press conference or the
dinner-dance? who gives a shit? :) the woman CHOSEN to represent HIM is the
one that goes along to the engagements. I don't give a fuck WHAT chicks are
doing or who they are with because there is only one that has the title of my
PRIMARY and the EXTRA responsibilities, sexual and social, that come along with
that position.
>> >I'm trying have the least amount of
>> >negativity in these chicks when I finish with them.
>>
>> keep it real then. tell them what you're into when it comes to chicks. if
>> what you are offering them is unique enough, they will get with the program
and
>> STAY with the program until YOU eject them. think about it... if you can do
>> what you are telling the chick you can do, you can bring light into MANY
>> chicks' lives. WHY would you give a damn if she left you or not IF you are
>> offering somthing that other chicks are DYING to have in their lives?
>
>Exactly. I think I'm gonna have to work on my skills before I can make
>any
>outstanding claims, I have to KNOW I'm the best for them so I can be
>congruent with what I tell them and my actions if they need booting.
that's absolutely right :)
>Thanks dude, appreciate it :)
>
>Laser
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