mASF post by "devilishly" posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2005I enjoyed the depth of thought of your post. I understand what you are saying
but the law of manipulation is so simple and I think you have formulated it
incompletely. I think that routines only fail when the person giving the routine violates the law of manipulation.
This law being that as soon as someone realizes they are being manipulated
(regardless of whether it is before or after the sale was made) they will not
like it.
Manipulation is a win-lose situation in which one person is trying to win and
therefore tries to make the other must lose. But a win-win situation is not
manipulation because obviously everyone wins and no one loses. It's called
Seduction or giving in to what everyone wants.
Women like sex and want to have lots of it. Sex is win-win when both parties
are considered. So don't give her bad sex!
So it comes down to the delivery of the routine. If the person giving the routine comes off as manipulative (supplication involved perhaps?) in order to
get sex, etc. it will probably be seen as a bad deal or a fraud (creepy). But
one that makes a good delivery while showing that there will be a mutual
satisfaction/good deal in the end, will not as likely fail.
So its all about how you sell the goods (your junk) and how natural your routine is. (the slippery slope of absolutes and moral judgments aside)
That is what it is all about: Respecting yourself as a commodity and selling
yourself to women. What is the value of a commodity? It is the highest price
someone is willing to pay for it.
So you need to believe in yourself that you are the best thing out that for any
woman. If you honestly believe it, you are forced to consider that any woman
that doesn't not want a piece of you is a fool and a waste of your time.
An analogy on how to delivery:
I see it as the Bad Actor's Dilemma. People don't like bad actors because
their material is unbelievable and contrived. People aren't idiots and they
dislike anyone that is poor at what they do, especially for entertainment!
Generally, good actors are those that are able to create and texture vivid
characters that allow us to experience their emotions along with them. People
won't pay twice to see a bad actor but box offices sell out to see Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, etc. just because they know what they hell they are doing and the
audience knows it!
So I guess, really the dilemma comes down to the fact that if you are
mechanical with routines and stories, you are boring and an uninteresting
loser. So the only way to improve is by practice so it will flow natural, like
it is improv comedy.
You hit the nail right on the head with how negative vibes are transferred. So
simply I guess, if it makes you feel weird, sad, bad, etc. to talk about, Don't
talk about it with a woman because she will empathize and associate that with
you (as well as decreasing your value). Always be light, funny and sexual if
you want to keep her around.
Devilishly
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