mASF post by "jessieblue"
posted on: mASF forum: Field Reports Discussion, June 6, 2005Thank you for taking the time with me. I am glad you replied, because I wanted
to go the direct route that you and Razorjack use (I always read your LRs by
the way, and I hope in the future to be able to do what you did in those three
from last week).Ok enough ass kissing :) let me give you the other details:
>>hey, why isn't
>>anyone talking to you, you
>>look pretty":
>I dont know about that opener, its complimentary but can still trigger some
serious shit in the >girl if she's the insecure type. Some chicks actually
hate to be seen as losers who are all alone. >Case in point HB8 on stairs..
I honestly don't know what opener to use for my style. So I use all kinds of
direct and indirect. Sometimes they get me in, other times not.
>>I keep talking and applying
>>kino and had to keep my head
>>down to hear her and after
>>about two minutes I try to
>>number close her, but she says
>>she doesn't have a phone.I
>>talk for another minute then
>>suddenly she says "stop
>>touching me", I say "you are
>>mean", smile and leave.
>Describe the kino more, where what how etc, did you escalate the kino?
The kino is done playful, in a kind of "boyfriend talking to girlfriend"
frame: taking her hands in mine softly, adjusting creases on her clothes,
touching her chin with my finger when she says something funny, sliding my hand
on her waist when she is responsive, telling her to kiss my cheek when she
passes a qualification, that kind of touches, I'm not sleazy, or at least I
dont think so. I do escalate the kino up to a point, but I don't kiss them on
the mouth in club, I did that and they seem to get ASD afterwards and flake.
> Why did you try to #
>close her so fast? why did you try to # close her at all?
I find myself doing that when I run out of things to say. I #close then go to
the next girl. It seems that when I stay long, they lose interest, someone
cockblocks or she goes to the bathroom,etc, so I try to take her number asap
and call the next day.
>>I talk to them a bit
>>,they laugh, but I dont like
>>either of them much so I tell
>>them I'll talk to them later
>>and leave.
>Why? Were they UGs?
They weren't really my type, I approached more to test the opener that time.
>>HB8: maybe I don't want to
>>talk to anybody.
>>I smile and say: why do you
>>seem sad? Anything happen
>>today?
>>Hb8: bla, bla
>What did she respond here?
didn' hear because the club was loud. she probably said she wasn't sad, just
bored or something.
>>Give me your number,
>>I'll call you, She says I
>>can't ,I have a BF, I smile
>>and leave.
>It seems like you are pushing for an outcome like a phone number so damn
early, relax dont >be outcome dependant and dont PUSH FOR A NUMBERCLOSE IN A
CLUB. If >anything you want to makeout with her or hangout with her
first, besides girls are looking for it >that night in clubs. The BF response
is usually BS and even if its not it doesnt mean shit, her >BF wasnt standing
beside her right? Persist dont eject when she says she has a BF. (She
>probably said it because you pushed for a #close so fast).
I think you are right, I do push for a # too early and I do eject too soon, but
when I run out of things to say I feel the urge to go for the# and go. I don't
seem to have succes with the lines from asf at the "I have a boyfriend" bulshit
so I get bored and leave her (or maybe scared, I don't know).
>If youre gonna go direct with compliments dont work the entire group,
especially not if theres >an UG there. She knows she is ugly, you saying so
will be insincere in her eyes, thus youre just >saying that to bag her hot
friends, she will CB. Focus on target and go in hard on target with >that
without any regard of her friends. That means turning your back on her friends,
standing >close to target and giving that compliment, sort of having the frame
of "Romantic hero a la >Tom Cruise" rather than "desperate drunk obnoxious
guy".
I will do that, but from experience I know they cockblock eventually(maybe I
didn't do it right before)
>>go to
>>her, try the opener, she
>>doesn't respond, I say: I see
>>why nobody is talking to you,
>>You are mute, she looks the
>>other way, I walk.
>How do you approach? Have you had any EC? Which direction is your crotch
facing, at her >or away? Are you applying kino? How close are you standing?
What is your state/how are >you feeling?
I didn't have EC, I just went in facing her, I do that sometimes with
lonewolves.I didn't have time to apply kino, she was ignoring me on purpose. I
was close, 30 cm away from her head. I was relaxed, with a friendly face and
body towards her.
>Dissing her because she didnt respond isnt gonna do much, you can however call
her on it. >"Tell me do you always act this rude when handsome interesting
strangers go out of their way >to give you a compliment?" or "I bet with that
attitude you get tons of new friends, boys must >be falling over themselves
lining up to meet you.." etc etc..
I get annoyed when they are impolite, I wasn't trying a tactic there. Next time
I'll say what you wrote, but do you think is wise to say "interesting handsome
stranger"? it won't come across funny if I say it, because I actually am
handsome, it will seem like bragging.
>>I slide my hand
>>on her waist(I do that a lot,
>>also I play with girls blouses
>>and touch their arms a lot)
>Do you always do this or only when they respond good?
Usually when I like them and they respond friendly.
>>i leave
>>in a small town in a small
>>european country, some chicks
>>really don't have a phone).
>So then why the hell are you trying to # close? I find that # closing works
worse in smaller communities. Social conditioning thing..
I never fclosed the same day before and it might be a limiting belief of mine.
I should try I guess, but I don't really want a ons, I like to have MLTRs.
>See, work this the other way. Go for the fclose that night, if THAT doesnt
work, with all the >gained rapport get the # , if that doesnt work push for
the day2 then and there, if that doesnt >work then fuck it. There is no such
thing as K-close. Kissing shouldnt be used as a closing, it >should be an
escalation to an F-close. Kissing can also be meaningless, i've tongued down
>girls whom 1 hour later dissed me to go home with another guy or go home
alone! A kiss in >other words, as numbers means absolutely shit.
You are right about that, I also kclosed a lot of times and they flaked
afterwards, that's why I don't go for that in the club. I should go for the
fclose, but I really don't think I would like fucking a chick when I know
nothing about her except what information I gather in a loud club.
>>I tell her to give me a kiss
>>on the cheek, she was sweet,
>>gave me a kiss then I left and
>>went home without a number.
>Why did you leave?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Now that I think about it, I left because the porpoise was to get numbers, and
when she didn't have a phone I had nothing to go for anymore.
>Usually I get a number or two,
>>but I had bad luck and sloppy
>>game last night. My wing got 4
>No you didnt, I actually like your game abit, kind of direct, but with the
whole wrong >intentions(#close) and way too pushy for it.
>Fuck the numbers! Same night F-close is the name of the game in clubs.
I would like to be able to only get solid#closes, do you think that's possible,
or will there be always flakes? Also I should probably focus on same day
fcloses when possible, tho I would have to walk a long way from the club to my
house with her, as I don't have a car and can't go to her place, the chicks all
leave with their parents untill their late 20s here. All limiting beliefs
probably, but I have to acknowledge that anyway.
>Hope this helps! ;)
>-Mike
It sure does, again, thank you for taking the time to help me.
jessieblue
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