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I rate people all the time with girls, asking how hot they think a guy is, and how hot they think a girl is.
Even if it is just "different strokes for different fokes" girls definately look for different things that they find attractive in men or women.
Hot or Not, or any ranking system is completely crap. No offense, but I don't think people even know what they are doing, and couldn't rate themselves out of a wet paper bag.
I've dated a rediculous amount of super hot women, but most of them at some point lose their looks, and most guys would find that weird. I'm with NVP, looks get me intruiged enough to approach, thats about it.
Anyone that wouldn't fuck a girl, with a pretty good body, and not disfigured face, and a good personality is an idiot in my opinion that has serious issues.
So basically my scale goes like this.
For example my worst facial quality I would say is my nose.. But I've been complemented on it many times because it is "masculine" or whatever. Some people were obsessed on what I considered my flawed feature. Whilst others can not be a fan of your best feature. Alot of girls say I have super dreamy eyes, but then some girls will say "I hate hazel eyes, I like blue eyes", so there you go... Hahaha, rediculous.
However, the vain of this thread DOES have some merit, as guys see things differently to girls.
Its about how it clicks for a certain person, and thats hormonal, and about that persons state, and chemistry.
Attraction, and how attractive someone is to you, is a PERSONAL thing. Feel free to change it as you will. I have no hangups with saying "oooh this chick is hotter now cuz she did that" and watching the change in her physical appearance as I look at her. I have no probs talking to a six then going, mmmm yuummmm what an 8, mmm mmm ymmm I'm too drunk on silly hormones to rate you or care, lets get it on.
A drunk girl that fucks the ugly guy.. Do you really think its THAT upsetting.. I mean, its just bad cuz in the morning, their looks don't do it for you, which triggers all kinds of insecurities.
Even the hottest women. Natural 10's, in classical looks, at some points look really bad.. all you do as a guy is, change angles . No, seriously, they look bad, and most people that are so obsessed with hot people, would FREAK OUT, and no wonder people get all sorts of hangups.
Nobody gets treated like a SOLID 7 or a SOLID 9 or a SOLID 5, all the time. They get treated like a shitty 2, then a crazy 11, then a wacky 6.954321.
Nobody is treated as a solid number.. Guys tell me I'm a 7 or so, maybe.. And then girls may say your soooo a ten, or whatever random number for the day.
Shows I am TRIGGERING people. And the way I see it is, you can't trigger peoples hot flashes all the time. Why be that greedy anyways.
Well the way I see it is this.. NOBODY, gets SAFETY and SOLIDITY..
What is important, is that you are confident in your ability to right those situations.
Sometimes, even your worst angle looks hot. Sometimes, you BEST angle is like "meh, whatever"..
Looks is a fluid thing.. I wouldn't even subscribe to the 0-1 scale.. Its the, do I feel it now scale..
Feelings, are more likely to imprint LOOKS into a person, than looks are to imprint feelings in a person.
There is no doubt, if you turn me on often enough, you will gain hot looks.
So when I approach someone, I do so without any idea of how hot I am.. But I can tell how hot I am to them.. And I know how to change it fairly well.
Its not JUST, this hidden thing, where people qualify you by. People THINK it is.. But I've been in field way to long to think that any more.
People do have a TENDENCY, to elicit certain responses from certain groups of people. But hell, part of looks is the feelings you put across, so either, don't give a shit about that group of people, or if you have some way of affecting consistantly how you affect those people, by smiling a little more, or flirting a little, and its not hard for you to do, just do it.
I make myself hotter by body language» most times. If some guy bumps into me, pushes me, whatever, I don't take insult, its almost like a start of a great story, I'm sociable and fun, and get known umongst many people, and say HEY!
With girls, I don't take insult if they don't like me, i don't find it insulting at all, infact I keep going completely unphased .
You know why, cuz looks are stupid, and they don't dictate, what you can and can't do, they just make is so you have to be able to handle specific challenges.
When a person is hot, they face this challenge, when you are this hot, you face that challenge.. No real advantage.. some, but not an overwhelming amount.
If you looked like a 10, tommorrow, do you think it would make the game that much easier, or do you think it would make the game THAT MUCH MORE DIFFERENT. Different stresses, different annoyances, different challenges.
Will you keep your edge? You might get belligerent and careless, and incapable of concentrating when it comes to men, and when the great guy comes along, be absolutely helpless cuz you've lost that ability to focus.
I don't drink alcohol anymore, cuz I think it takes away my edge.. Even though, random bumping into people increases. I still wouldn't trade it for that ability to concentrate hard, at that critical moment. I'd take slight awkwardness, over inability to concentrate any day.
Slight awkwardness, cuz you don't know how hot you are..
Both sides grow dependant on something.. I'm not saying either is better. I'm just saying, to push your game higher, you'd best stop thinking LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS, cuz you just trade off one dependancy for another. Either way, you are gonna have to do some hard work and be the Extrodinary one of that group.
The hot girl is gonna have to pull her weight. The girl that pulls her weight is gonna have to be hot. And if you wanna appear UBER delicious, you are gonna have to even crank that up a gear, and smack natural chemistry on top of that!
Either way, you have to stop depending on what you got.. Whether it be sympathy vote, or whether it be I complain about men thingy.
Both are illusions. If you think you aren't hot, thats an illusion you've made up. And people think its true, because YOU ARE DEPENDANT ON IT.
What makes something true?
If girl says "you have chicken legs, and a weird nose, and are a bit of a whimp" (none of which are by any extent true )
For me, its not a moral choice of "am I hot enough to seduce this woman", its just A choice, of whether I want to do this.
Its nowhere near as straight forward as "am I hot or not" or "whats my number".. If you delve into it, its actually quite profound. The whole, am I hot, belief, becomes something like
So in the end, I've realise, I am undeniably hot, undeniably so. However, some people are dependant on other things, and thats fine.
If you can change how someone looks at you, would you?
People think what is hot, is what they are DEPENDANT UPON.
Open up that can of worms, and you'll be so confused, you won't give a shit . Haha, you'll just say, WHATEVER, this shit isn't meant to be this boring and complicated, I'll just get what I can get and have some fucking FUN!
Looks is actually pretty complex... where as you just think.. oh, this sharp feature on my face is ugly!
DEPENDENCY on looks, get the fuck rid of it!
Start appreciating when you get knocked back, or when someone says you are ugly.
Hahaha, anyways, interesting posts.
And I'll tell you what, girls tastes, compared to mens tastes is completely different.
If you've got a pretty good body I can work with.
A face I can work with.
And an attitude I can work with, yum.
The "I need HOT" disease.. You realise after a while, hotness, is about the STUPIDEST thing to go for in a woman or a man. The fact that its your first instinct says alot about the person.
I check her body, I check her face and most likely her eyes.
Faces in my experience are really subjective, even minor flaws, in a face can be turn ons to alot of people.
I'm not sure what it is, but I do know this.. As a guy, my judgement on what is hot on a guy is way off, guys I consider duper hot, are usually below me on the scale, or some random dude I don't pay attention to, is really hot, to alot of women. So I just leave it at that, I can't tell what women want with looks, so I don't much care.
And since men and womens chem is different, I can't really pick it, cuz its not actually how people look, but how people are recieved.
To me, all wolves look the same, but I'm sure to wolves, there are uber hot wolves and shit ugly wolves. I couldn't tell, and I couldn't care less about picking it.
Me personally, I couldn't care less, you wake up with the face of a mole, hahaha, I won't fuck you then, no.. But haha, I won't get all insecure about it cuz I don't have any hangups. You can look like a petrified mummy, thats fine, so long as I don't have to fuck you, thats fine, cuz I don't think it would be the most enjoyable moment you know.
But moments change, and you could be the ten of the party the next night.
Problem is, people can't just say, you aren't fuckable right now, and just leave it at that. They have issues of, trying to impress their friends with how hot this person is, and its all tied up and tangle with, oh shit, how do I run, oh shit, how do I get this person rright now.
Either way, don't rush.. No need to run, cuz they are unnattractive, no need to run towards them if they are attractive and giving you signals.
Geez its really reliable !
The stuff I rely on is "holy shit, you look masculine today, I mean WOW!"
I know there is this whole, morality thing of, "i've gotta be hot enough, or I'm doing a bad thing by seducing this person into bed" or whatever. Or "I don't want them to be like disgusted half the time they are around me, I want some safety and solidity"..
I've dated the hottest of the hot, and they can go pretty weak on looks. No safety, no solidity, for anyone.
I mean.. just like every other aspect of game, looks is a strange beast.
Doesn't matter.
Anyone that isn't on that system, in my eyes is insecure and has hangups about looks.
Yes sometimes it happens, and a girls beautiful eyes, just SOLIDLY anchor a strong feeling within me.
But sometimes, just feeling something for a girl, allows me to see those eyes whenever I want anyways, because that feeling is close enough for me to grab hold of whenever I want, cuz she makes me feel that way so often.
I don't care if you have snaggle tooth, I've seen it happen.
Looks is a strange thing, the most ugly of ugly things can be rediculously attractive, completely ignored, or anything.
I know that looks can be manipulated, the effects stimulated.
I mean, I've seen girls, hitting on me, and I'm like "meh" and they keep going, and boom thier face and body starts to shift, right infront of my eyes, I start getting excited, oh yes! Super hot! Then she quits , or she keeps going, and boom she turns from "I didn't notice you at all, Lol, I didn't even rate you, you just weren't rated, no offense" to "holy shit, she is a solid 9".
Which has often been called very sexy.
Could you resist, not being a slut, not being picked on, not becoming bitchy, not becoming superficial and losing your ability to pick up the guy of your dreams.
I know it SEEMS like an easy choice now, but when you are ACTUALLY in that situation, you realise just how much you can change as a person, because of that one small thing.
And thats really what we are talking about with looks.
Compared to..
Lack of concentration, cuz men treat you differently, and you get flustered when real things come your way.. (even though bumpins increase)
A piece of balony by itself doesn't make a good sandwich, you gotta put some layers in their, stack it up.
You have to wipe that shit from you mind, stop going "if only I were hot" and DO IT.
Stop going on about "I am hot, but where are the real men" and get out there and MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Mostly its what people are dependant upon.
Someone has thier view of the world, and they are dependant upon it.. so they will say its true to the ends of the earth, cuz until something better comes along, thats what they are going to suck on.
She depends on that... It has NOTHING to do with what I am, or what is true, it has EVERYTHING to do, with what she is dependant upon to get by.
You can actually BLOW peoples minds, with how hot you can be to them. By destroying those beliefs, but lets not get onto that..
And thats why I love NVP's thing up there, with its thing of whether I'm willing to do what it takes.. AWESOME!
"I'm perfect in every concievable way"
and then the whole
"but so long as illusions exist, I am not".
The question of converting them, or whatever, is really just a choice, which I can face, once I understand how to change peoples conception of how I look.
Just run off the assumption you can change someones opinion of how you look. Instead of the assumption "you can't".
Dependency, is true hotness.
And when those people around you become needy, and like a double standard start chasing you, you won't be like "why do you like me now?" you'll just be like "haha, to be expected, whatever!".
The only reason its ugly to you, is CUZ YOU DEPEND ON IT.
Dependency on sympathy votes, get the fuck rid of it!
Dependency on your looks, get the fuck rid of it!
Dependency on other people liking you, get the fuck rid of it!
Haha, I laugh, and enjoy it when people call me stuff, I really appreciate it. I appreciate rejection.
