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There are a number of community wisdoms that many people seem to blindly accept without thinking about the wider ramifications. With regard to the issue of making out with girls in club what comes to mind are alleged rules such as:
“Don’t make out with the girl in front of her friends.”
Generally speaking, this is all sound and safe advice, but they have some exceptions. Yet, sticking to these rules too much might be detrimental for your game. In this posting, I will present my take on these ‘community rules’. Second, in a separate posting, I will argue -- based on my experience -- that being the tacky make out guy, at least for a few months, can drastically improve your game in the long run.
This is mostly correct. Just don’t do it. Give her a peck on the lips and isolate her. Otherwise, you will trigger her ASD.
There is one important exception, though. If the girl is looking to hook up, then you should just go for it. In a 2set, it is quite likely that the friend will just wander off, just to never be seen again. Speaking of 2sets, there is a huge problem if you go in with a wing. I much prefer going solo and never really saw the benefits of having someone in field with me anyway. Speaking in terms of rapid physical escalation of a girl that is part of a 2set, a wing who does not have your level of competence will seriously wreck your game. Say you have met a hot girl. She likes you and touches you a lot. She DDB’s, and you go in for the kiss. Glory times, it may seem. However, she will after a while check on her friend. If your wing is still talking to his girl and kino’ing her in an awkward way while she is already making out with you, you will lose the girl -- both of you will. I have had this happen to me more often than I would have liked it happen to me, so I had to modify my game whenever I was out with my wing because he seemed uncomfortable with rapid escalations. After all, this is not something you can learn in just a few nights.
I have no idea where this comes from. One of the London PUA’s sticks to the rule of going for the kiss after a few minutes because if the girl weren’t interested she would have walked off anyway. I just don’t like rigid rules much these days, so take it with a grain of salt (both ‘rules’). Many beginners, however, make the mistake of talking too much and kinoing too little. If you do this, i.e. waiting as long as ten or fifteen minutes, you will seriously freak out the girl. The point is, instead, to gradually increase sexual tension. For instance, you could touch her cheek or her ear with your lips while talking to her, or, more explicitly, press your lips against her cheek and gently suck on them for a short moment before going back to the conversation. Just do it in a completely nonchalant way. This will greatly increase her BT. If she plays along with it, you can either give in and make out (for as long as you like if you want to get some of the benefits I am going to discuss in part II of this posting), or break the make out first, bounce her around, increase her comfort level and finally extract her.
Stick to this rule once you’ve made it past the tacky make out guy stage, but not before. The problem with make outs in clubs is that they release too much sexual tension. However, if you are able to increase sexual tension, then it is perfectly fine to make out with the girl. In the last few weeks, I have become quite bold in clubs. Rubbing a girl’s labia, or even fingering is about to become a mainstay in my game. This, of course, is a very sexual act. If you are already fingering a girl, you can’t do much harm with making out. Just make sure to keep the sexual tension, and you can easily bounce them around, isolate, and extract them.
Breaking the make out first is something you should always do because it will leave the girl wanting more. If you don’t do this, the girl will get all the gratification and validation she wants or needs, and you will end up with nothing in the end. The numbers you will get doing this will be flakes, whereas the number-closes of cases in which you skillfully left the girl wanting more will be comparatively solid.
All in all, it seems that being the tacky make out guy who does not know when to stop is a very bad place to be. For more experienced guys, I wholeheartedly agree, but for guys who are just starting out, this is, IMO, the wrong mindset to have. I will discuss this in the second part of this posting, which I am going to put online shortly.
“Do not try to kiss the girl within the first fifteen minutes.”
“Do not make out with girls in the club, only in isolation.”
“Always break the make out first, otherwise you might end up being the tacky make out guy.”
“Don’t make out with the girl in front of her friends.”
“Do not try to kiss the girl within the first fifteen minutes.”
“Do not make out with girls in the club, only in isolation.”
“Always break the make out first, otherwise you might end up being the tacky make out guy.”
