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The answer was Mystery Method».
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MM and GWM1? Together? "Haha" you say?
I kid you not.
I wasn't ever really skilled at anything revolving around the M3 model. It just wasn't my style at all. Too restricted for me.
Though process is good, the rigidity of THAT process was just too mechanical for me to even enjoy the interaction and attempt to move through each step at the same time(hell, even REMEMBER each step).
However, there were principles to be learned from MM in the area of group theory, social dynamics, isolation, etc.
Learning how to screw up using MM taught me a few things that made me better at a club when NOT using MM that ,believe it or not, fit in well with what I was doing.
At the time though, I wasn't focused so much on the technical aspect of what to do though. I was just out there acting on my drive to approach and move an interaction ANYWHERE so the subtleties weren't really my priority.
When you're on, they tend to take care of themselves anyway.
This was one of those things that naturally took care of itself when the going was good and made my interactions go alot smoother.
And NOW, since I seem to do this rarely, well, the club isn't my strong point, haha.
I'm not the most safe looking guy. Nah, I don't look like a stalker or anything, I just don't look "innocent." I get the "player" or "you must have a girlfriend" thing all the time, even before I really spend alot of time with a girl.
Way back when, that translated into to trouble quickly pulling a girl off by herself when she's with her friends.
As MM would have it, generally you disqualify yourself, you ignore the target, win over her friends, then isolate the target.
Being the GWM guy that I was, running groups wasn't my strong point, the personal interaction was. But in a club, rarely are you ever going to find a hot girl by herself.
I had to find a way around that.
The general line of thinking was, "How do I get this girl alone without actually getting her 'alone'?"
The actual in-field application would probably now be referred to is "mini-isolation". At the time though, I don't remember reading about it much, and I barely paid conscious detail to it myself.
It was more an unconscious reaction to solve an obvious problem that I was conscious of.
This is the very simple explanation(you can stop reading it after this if you want to save time, lol). Its finding a way to create space between a girl and her friends without her friends feeling overly conscious about it.
Approaching it from that mindset in the field without focusing on it enough to distract you from everything is likely to naturally lead you in the right direction.
So how does this play out in the field?
You have a gagillion(I know, not a real number) number of options starting from the moment you open(even waiting until she'll be alone for a few minutes) all the way up until you win the girl over enough so that she'll disarm her friends objections for you.
Every once in awhile though, you catch a girl who runs off to the bathroom by herself.
You guessed it. Just start talking to the girl in the back of the line. If you're an idiot like myself, possibly even grab her hand and follow along like one of the girls(not recommended for people who are scared of getting slapped).
No seriously. There's this entire convention of Mystery clones who feel like they have to juggle groups of people every time they want to talk to a girl.
Just pick the girl you want and open her. Then, like the Juggler of old, just watch which of her friends react the most to you or move to involve themselves in the interaction and disarm THEM. You become much more time efficient that way by not wasting time winning over people that don't matter.
In something of a subtle compliance test, she should mirror your pace and the space should create itself naturally.
Likewise, if you're in front of the group, just move a little faster than the rest of her friends.
There is a huge difference between this:
C = chode H = her Y = you
_C
and this:
_C
Or you can take the flip side of that and close out the friends so that whatever conversation the two of you have is free from being invaded upon by her friends.
This way, she's less likely to be judged therefore more likely to feel comfortable with verbal escalations.
C = chode H = her Y = you
_C
and this:
_C
Even though you're close enough so that her friends can at least feel comfortable that nothing will happen to her because she's easily within eyesight and can just walk over there, she will feel the separation from her social support structure(even though consciously she knows they are right there) and more likely to seek rapport with you.
This also gives you room to quickly escalate physically in a way that might have garnered a reaction from her friends had it been within the group, but is less likely to be obstructed by either the group or her ASD.
(The legend should be obvious by now)
C_C
and this:
C___C
Using her own friends to occupy themselves while you win over a much smaller group of people then let THEM win over the rest of the group for you.
Large groups are not my strong point. I don't like juggling twelve people at once. Feel free to try if that's your thing.
But splitting the group up into easily manageable numbers where the number of people involved in your conversation pair up evenly makes it easier to just pull your girl away without leaving anyone feeling like "the odd man out".
G = wing's girl W = wing Y = you H = her
WG_HY
and this:
GW_YH
Having them right next to each other, if either of them starts to get bored with you and your wing, they can just turn to each other and leave you out, or even worse, if you try to escalate, once can just reach over and pull her friend away.
Even though there's only a few steps between them with you and you're wing separating them, (for some odd reason, I suppose humans are lazy) they are more likely to focus on interacting with you and at least trying to keep the conversation going even though it may have low points.
It's simply much less graceful to have to move around two people when she could just turn and have her friend right there.
This doesn't mean they won't walk all the way around you and pull each other away, but seriously, most girls worry more about being socially awkward than you do. They would RATHER try and have an enjoyable conversation the physically do something that feels weird.
Remember that hand holding line of doom thing that girls do? Yeah, the one where you're not likely to just break it up without doing some crazy tactic... that one.
Odds are, if you're at the point where you can hold the girls hand without her feeling too awkward about it(honestly, that shouldn't even take long, especially if you're very playful and physical anyway), her friends are much less likely to drag her away from you, and even if they do, just hold on to her hand and go where they go.
Even more, just holding her hand and gently moving her away from her friends a little can give you room to work your magic without having to worry so much about interference, much the same way as your other options.
Keep in mind that I rarely "thought" this stuff. It was more just a natural progression and looks a lot less mechanical than it sounds. Even more, those are just examples. They are there for principle first, not just robotic repetition in an "I must move her away from her friends, I must destroy all humans because I am an evil robot" type thing.
Its not that serious.
It shouldn't even be thought about that deeply.
When I was just getting used to community principles and "sarging", one of the first major obstacles I came across was how do I get GWM1 ,which suited me so well, to work in the club.
1. When you're in a club or a bar, obviously girls are gonna have to go to the bathroom. Rather unfortunately, women have this tendency to want to piss with each other(Ok, I know that's not really why they follow each other to the bathroom).
2. Some clubs don't let you smoke inside, but have designated areas for smokers(roof, balcony, etc). In a club like that, you can definitely catch girls who split off from their friends to take a smoke break.
3. While girls like to run off everywhere together, you can catch the girls that stray off from their groups to go get a drink. You can catch these girls on the way to/from the bar or just hang around near the bar and wait for them to get closer to you.
4. They used to tell me in middle school that its not nice to skip in line. I guess that carried over to the club. When girls are doing their chain of survival thing where hold each others hands as they move through the club(as if the place is so big that if one person gets in between them, they'll never find each other again) unless you're Sleazy»(haha), you're probably won't have the best results just grabbing the girl in the middle.
4. Don't open the group, just open the girl.
5. When you're talking to a girl and the group is moving, you can create space between her and her friends just by moving slower than her group but still maintaining the conversation.
6. In the process of just conversing with the girl, you can use your body language» and body position to simply move yourself in between her and her group.
C__H_Y
_C
C__Y_H
_C
I kid you not, this can make the difference between her closing off her body language» to you and turning to her friends or having them pull her away making you appear awkward, and you being able to close of your body language» to her and putting pressure on her to win you over with a much less chance of her walking off.
7. There is a huge difference between this:
C__Y_H
_C
C_____Y_H
_C
In just using your body position to move her just a little distance away from her friends and either obstruct their view of her, or obstruct her view of them, you've taken away a huge cushion of social support where when she's with her friends, she has acceptance and doesn't "need" you.
8. There is a huge difference between this:
C_H_Y
C_C
C___Y_H
C___C
9. If its you and your wing talking to girls, there is a huge difference between this:
10. Hold her hand, especially if you can make it look like SHE IS HOLDING YOUR HAND and is interested in sticking to you more so than you to her.
Use the opportunities you create to move to more seductive behavior. Where juggling the group, you'd spend alot of time being social leaving yourself at the mercy of all types of unseen logistics, spend that time working on HER and taking the interaction to a seductive level.
And for the love of Mystery(haha), please don't treat this like an "I must do this this in this exact way just like I must go through the M3 model this exact way" ordeal.
