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Original discussion thread: http://fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=89601&fid=16
The key distinction that I see a lot of new guys mess up on is that they view online as a place to sarge and run game. And it really isn’t.
The only objective to online game» is to pique her interest enough to get her to the telephone or to a real life meet. That’s it. It’s not to create attraction, or DHV, or neg, or run routines, or anything else.
Once you’re talking to her in person or on the phone, THEN it’s time to put into action everything you’ve learned from the community.
One of the reasons online game» has gotten such a bum rap in the community over the last few years is because many true PUA’s believe, correctly, that lots of guys view online game» as a shortcut where they don’t need to use the real tools that lead to solid game and real results.
Online is where you FIND the women, not SARGE them. You sarge them once you get them into real life. In every other kind of game (club game, day game, etc.) you sarge women the exact same time you find them. Online is different. First you FIND, then you SARGE…two separate steps.
It illustrate exactly what I’m talking about, below is my typical sequence that I find successful.
Note this is the sequence…if you want specific how-to on these items read this:
http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=84784&fid=16
2. Email back and forth no more than two or three times, then pitch the first meet.
3. Schedule the first meet.
4. Offer her your phone # once the meet is scheduled, and get her number as well.
5. Call her and engage her in a phone conversation, brief or long, a few days before the meet, if possible, and run heavy verbal game if necessary.
6. Have the first real life meet. Hopefully, she already feels she “knows you”.
7. Run heavy game during the first meet…kino, DHV’s, negs (only if she’s really hot), routines, games, stories, humor, confidence, non-neediness, everything. (read some of my FR’s and LR’s for specific examples of what I do).
8. Spend no more than $12 to $15 on the first meet (buy one drink for you and one drink for her), and end the first meet at about 1.5 hours, even if it’s going well. Make sure you location bounce once if possible. You may or may not attempt a k-close on the first meet, depends on the woman (calibrate as necessary).
9. After the first meet, watch for the Ultimate IOI: If she contacts you (via phone or text) BEFORE you contact her first AFTER the first meet. I pretty much know if a chick sends me a text after the first meet before I send her one, I’m going to fuck her.
10. Attempt to schedule the day2.
11. Have the day2 meet. Don’t spend more than $15 or $25. Zero is optimal. Keep your frame and run solid game. Definitely k-close and engage other heavy sexual “stuff” during the day2, to demonstrate you expect sex is coming soon. If things start to look really good, go for the lay. BUT, if you get any real resistance, don’t push it (I’m not talking about LMR, I’m talking about INITAL resistance to sex or isolation…if you’re both naked than by all means use your LMR destroyers and go for it).
12. If you don’t get laid, have the day3 meet. As always, don’t spend a lot of money. Plan an f-close in advance and plan out logistics accordingly. Meet, transform into Gunwitch, and heavily push for the lay. You will probably get laid tonight. If she doesn’t comply, demonstrate your clear displeasure through freezouts and other non-needy, non-dramatic “cold shoulder” behavior. Avoiding sex on the day3 is a clear red flag, you’re going to next her on the day4 if this happens again.
13. If you still haven’t gotten laid, schedule and have the day4 meet. When scheduling the meet and during the meet, strongly SUB-communicate that you expect sex tonight. For the day4, spend ZERO MONEY if possible (have “movie night” at your place). Heavily push for f-close again. You will most likely get laid tonight. If not, next her immediately!!! You’re done with her! (This is rare, see below)
If you’re doing everything right, only very rarely to do women get to the day4 without having sex with you (it’s only happened to me I think 2 or 3 times, and in all cases it was because I clearly fucked up my frame or my sequence). Why? Because usually, well before the day4, you’ll have sex, or you will next her, or (most likely) she will next you. Most women will bail out after the first meet if they don’t want to have sex with you (again, if you’re doing everything right and your frame is strong…if you act like an AFC, chicks who don’t want to fuck you will date you for as long as they can…they like the attention and free drinks).
The key point I want you to see in this sequence is that I’m running almost no game while I’m ONLINE. I’m running it over the phone and in person when she’s right in front of me.
Another critical, critical point, and one I cant stress enough:
With online game», time is against you.
Time is your absolute ENEMY. Every single MINUTE that passes between when you first start emailing back and forth and when you actually meet her in person REDUCES your chances of ever seeing her.
I cannot tell you how many times I have been communicating with a smokin’ gorgeous HB, we’ve got a first meet scheduled, and she’s DYING to meet me, and she’s sending me texts about how amazing I am, or how much she wants to fuck me, but then the meet gets rescheduled and delayed because of work emergencies, or family emergencies, or her being out of town, or holidays, or bad weather, or whatever, and then when I try to re-schedule, I get the “Actually, I’ve started seeing someone and want to see where this goes…..”
Fuck.
Like I said. Time is your ENEMY!
When sarging online, ALL of the men she knows in real life are higher priority than you. If any one of them make a move (and they will), you’re out. This is why it’s SO critical to nail down that first meet as quickly as possible, and have it be as SOON as possible. Be forceful about it. Occasionally, you’ll even get the situation where a women who is really interested in you will say “Hey, there’s no rush, let’s keep talking and getting to know each other.” DON’T BUY THAT SHIT. There IS a rush. If you buy into this and just “keep talking”, in less than a week she will suddenly not be responding to your emails/texts/phone calls…because she’ll be fucking some other guy.
Just like I say with daygame,
DON’T FUCK AROUND, NAIL DOWN THAT MEET.
Final point. I really shouldn’t have to say this but I’m going to anyway…you MUST make sure you are running this sequence on MANY women at a time. Not ONE at a time. I usually have 12 to 15 women who are somewhere between “got an email back from her for the first time” to “been on one or two meets but haven’t had sex yet”.
This is because:
About 40% of the women you are emailing will suddenly stop emailing you and you’ll never hear from them again.
About 20% of the women you schedule a first meet with will cancel on you and you’ll never hear from them again. (An additional 40% will also cancel, but will then immediately reschedule with you, so you will end up seeing them eventually)
About 30% to 60% (depending on how good you are) of the woman you have a first meet with will not want to see you again (even if you k-closed them)
A few women, typically ones over the age of 33, will bail on you after the second meet.
A few women will bail on you after the day3 before having sex (though if this is the case it’s your fault because you’re doing something wrong).
Some women YOU will determine you don’t like after the first meet, and won’t want to see again.
So see why doing this on a one-woman-at-a-time basis won’t work? Even if your goal is to get a serious monogamous GF, you MUST put in the numbers to overcome this attrition. Hone your PU skills, follow the sequence, and put in the NUMBERS. And you’ll be successful.
I promise I will post about this by late January / early February to tell you what I’ve found.
By “online game»”, I am specifically taking about using dating sites» (both free and paid). I am NOT talking about social networking sites like MySpace and Facebook, which require a very different type of game. I have no real expertise in gaming chicks on these kinds of sites (though I am continuing to experiment, and as soon as I find something that works reliably and constantly, I’ll let you know).
1. Send her a non-needy email demonstrating slight interest.
One tangential note: I am really, really excited about something. I don’t want to get into specifics yet, but I think I have found something that has literally DOUBLED my online lay ratio. It’s appears to have destroyed the last SP I had (and others have complained about) with online game». I am field testing it now and want to try it on at least 10 or 12 women before I post my findings and officially say it works. But so far I’ve tried it on 3 women already and it’s literally worked PERFECTLY on all three in a row. I’ll give you a hint…it’s somewhat related to step 5 in the sequence above.
