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I completly respect your view on the world. On how you perceive pick up, i am also open to see yours here. This post is more how i perceive the truth.
Oslo, have been recently, a city were pu is very mainstream. Not strange, for all the hot girls around here.
These guys high fives each other, while jumping from set to set, while i am sitting holding two chicks, and getting a few kisses, more feeling like a pimp, i maybe did only 3 sets, but i had at least succes with these sets. At least i am laughing and gossip talking these weirdos out there, to the chicks.
But those puas, thinking value, comfort, giving value, showing value, being alpha, showing cool attitude.... are great for getting attention, for opening, for getting first vibes. But this won't give you laid, and even less a relationship (alright i talk about fbs... but one of my fb felt in love with me, and i never social proofed myself, i never did any stupid frame games, i just fucked her really hard, the way she likes it!)
I mean a women, told me recently, at school, while we were sitting outside getting som tann about her being in relationship just for the sex. She also told me it's very common. So guys in the relationship, you think your value, or your social proof, or EFA/frame controle, is the reason for your relationship working, i am not sure if this is correct, but i want you to think twice!
A women is often with a guy just for laying him, and will get into a relationship, just due to her ASD. Yes, when she is in a relationship, she can fuck without getting called a slut and so on.
Back to club and ons's. A women is comepletly comfortable with sex in nightclubs, most of them at least are. If not they wouldn't go to a place (called the club) were she knows guys will hit on her, not for marrying her, but for laying her!!! But that' doesnt mean she have to be out there for gettign laid, maybe just for havign fun... but she is comfortable with her sexuality, if she hasn't been abused 10 tiems in her childhood, a female is by nature comfortable being sexual around a guy. But the ASD is in the way.
So if she isn't comfortable with sex, why the hell would she go to the meat markett!! okey this is in general, there is always exception.
But also on the street, women not rejecting you for getting approached directly, are comfortable with sex
Last night i was with a budd, which recently started with pu, a natural, and doing great! at a lair meet. The bartender threwed us out since we weren't 23. We did some street pu. After opening a few good sets, we ended up with a girl, a lonewolfe ( which my bud approached, while i was talking on the phone), which asked us if we wanted to come to burger king meeting her half-sister and her friends. I did my sex talk on her, which honestly removed much of her ASD and amped her up. We talked about sex. She told a story of her buying a vibrator, and she got so horny and when she used it, it stopped working, and she started smashing it on the wall...
My target was pretty hot. My bud was doing great with the rest of my targets friend.
Her halfsister participated a lot on the sex talk, cause as a women, she loves sex! and loves talking about sex. We went to the Tubestation.... and then i saw her inner part of the legs near her pussy, when she went down the stair to the station ( easy to see, cause she was wearing a skirt. I told her oh i see you did bad shaving you are a bit red. She said "oh no, look yourself" And she did the female PYCO on me, PYPO (pull your pussy out???). I mean woah women needs comfort for getting sexual... lots of BS. It's all about ASD.
Sad i am busy today, but i will call her to night, a 7 o clock maybe? or 8 who cares!
Most guys are always thinking they have to do this and this for getting laid, this is pissing me off. Like all these mainstream puas, have to get the cool attitude for qualifieng to girls, have to entertain them, and let them select, being high value, being alpha, you name it, that sucks. I mean she needs a cock, but there is many cock out there... What makes her choose yours?
Understanding what she wants with sex, understand her sexuality her desire, is the most important of it all!!!
It was this other girl, i knew, with a BF, we planned to fuck soon, when her dad is gone for holliday and her BF is leaving (also for hollidays!) She wants to fuck me because she isnt satisfied with her BF. She wanted to be dominated. Here is the interesting part of what she told me. "I want him to fuck me, in the way as he would be raping me", woah, this wasn't a shocker, when a women knows a guys wants to fuck her, she feels attractive, it's a real turn on for her! well once again, as long as the ASD isn't in the way....
Here is the biggest mistake a pua does. He starts to get to know the women before fucking her. She would prefer fuck a random guy. That's what turns her on. Often a guy will talk, do some fancy lines, and she is thinking "can't you just fuck me".....
Or maybe the "pua" is stupid enought and do a break raport, she finds a new guy, which is very chodish and a big tool, and she have sex with huim and the pua is there, and shouting "well at least i was the prize". BS... lol fucking stupid.
There is so much BS puas does which makes them chodish.
That's the deal.
Feel free to give me your opinion.
Remember i am not convincing you that this have to be the truth, this is just the way i perceive it, and the way i do it. Make sure you have some points before disagreeing.
Thanks for reading.
Good news, i have no STD's anymore, damn had fucking 3 these weeks... and my sex drive is back... and i am ready for getting back to the field!!!!
Oh yeah, time to satisfie women!!!
Question or anything you want me to draft more in depth, feel free to ask!
Some guys will hate me for this post, because they will realize this contradics so much of classic pua theory.
When i went out clubbing (before the bouncer took my id) I saw a bunch of weird dressed fuckers, approaching, like jumping from set to set. Entertaining the group, it reminds me of clowns, or casino magicians. They're talking lots of crap to the girls. Damn is it mainstream to be fucking weird?
A girl having up to 4 bf's in a year, is very common, i honestly don't think she loved them all, not even sure she loved any of them... lol.
I explained her about the female orgasms. My bud was talking to her friends. They were 4, but the other girl were talking to each other.
My sexual reframing technique is my way to remove ASD (posted in advanced go back for reading it) O yeah i clsoed her, number, she asked when i finished at school today, i told her "why do you ask?" , she rpelied "dunno, we could meet up? i would like you to teach me more about those orgassm stuff"
Women do have sex fantasies, about getting sponteneous when it comes to sex, and getting sexual, but as you know, society holds them back, and is the only reason for ASD. Gunwitch said he would rape women if they were no justice and laws, i say women would rape us if they were no society morales (aka no "women getting called a hooker when they are getting sexually).
Guys thinking " creating comfort" for escalating, before escalating.. what ever, are chodes. It's not really required only minimal, and being cool with the great attitude, she have to know you won't hurt her physically, and she wont be affraid if you act normal when you are with her. (i said it doesn't get you laid to have kick ass attractive attitude, but it was great for first image) and some value is great! (not dhv, i don't like that theory, but i am "the walking value", good for approaching and first vibes, get some "internal value"). In fact when i approach i just show them that i am confident guy, which knows what i want (pussy) and that there is nothing wrong with that, cause it's natural, and women always accepts it with me.
My way:
_ Show her confidence when it comes to sex
_ Show her i understand her needs, what she wants when it comes to sex
_ And fucking give it to her, but i expect soemthing back from it. Cash is fine too btw i mean she givign me cash for sex!
Frame controle is something a pua should use before laying her, she will test him, But after laying her, you wont need fancy techniques for owning the frame. In fact you will be the prize when you are one of the few guys which can satisfie her well out there, when it comes to sex (remember only 10% of women get orgasms with their sex partners). So she knows that she has to complie to your frame if she wants the great sex. This will be much more powerful then if she is complying to your frame because of your value (more often a fake value, a mask) or anything else, the value were just an example.
Fuck her first, then get to know her, you will... lay her faster, and get to know her better, aka create better raport, which will get you more chances for meet up next day and a better meet up.
This is a very common mistake guys does
Breaking raport is great if she is shittesting you a lot. FGreat for stopping a frame war. If there isnt any big frame wars... and not that many shittests, breaking raport is dumb. Sacrificing raport for almost nothing!
To conclude...
Women needs sex, it's a physicological need. What makes her wants to have sex with you? By giving good sex, you controle the interactions. Letting her know you can satisfie her sexuality gives you all the frame. Removing ASD's will make it all easier on your way!
Okey there were more points in my thread, but after writing for so long, i start forgetting what i wrote previously XD.
