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I quote Blackdragon», who shares my resentment:
>Really guys, is learning how to put up with your frigid, dramatic, disrespectful
JohnnyC69 suggested I write a post for beginners who think they can bypass getting good at PU and just get great at relationships instead. It took me some time, but here are my thoughts on this issue.
A newbie with relatively little experience somehow gets a girl. He either got lucky via doing cold approaches, or he got hooked up through his social circle (the latter part is pretty much the standard route in the “normal” world). Now he thinks that his life is finally complete. He has a girlfriend. Wow! How can he be a worthless p.o.s. if he has access to some pussy?
At first he feels great because, /hey!/, he gets his dick wet for a change. Too bad that girls have a tendency to manipulate guys. N00b is unaware of this and also has zilch game. At the first opportunity he hands over his balls. Before he knows it, he is running her errands, paying for easily half her crap and - now how on earth could this happen? - slowly realises that the chick is rationing sex. How could she? He does not get it every time he wants it. Quite the contrary. The girl is using “pussy power” to completely emaciate the poor guy. But the most insane aspect of it all is that the guy’s life is now much worse than it ever was without a girl. He would be much better off without her. Yet, he wants to keep her around because he doesn’t feel “complete” without a girl, whatever this means. In his desperation he now heads over to the Relationships board and starts posting inane and ridiculous threads, like the following:
“LTR moody and crying...”
Just reading the titles of those posts makes me want to puke. And sadly I didn’t even have to dig deep for them. This is just a random collection of the recent weeks. Also, those were just the most blatant ones, and I bet that a lot of the more normal-looking thread titles are not much better.
BTW, if anybody of the thread starters feels insulted by referring to a post of his... Well, excellent, THIS post is for you then! But go ahead and give me one star for this post.
The solution to the vast majority of relationship related problems is to get good at PU first. You will stop being needy, insecure, and weak. Even worse, the girl will sense that you are a spineless chump and turn you into an WBAFC before you even know it.
A related revelation is that women or relationships won’t fix anything for you. If you think your life is not “complete” without a gf, then it won’t be “complete” with one. PU won’t make you happy, content or anything. It will only get you laid. Nothing more.
IMO, PU boils down to two aspect: not giving a fuck and having balls. Both come through practice. Sometimes people talk about a “solid frame.” This is the same thing. In field chicks will shit test you and try to figure out whether you are for real or just putting on an act. And guess what? In a relationship this won’t stop. Girls won’t shit test you like they do in field, however, they sometimes try to betaize you with techniques that will throw you for a loop if you lack experience. A rock solid frame is the single most important aspect you gain from doing PU.
Here’s an example (which probably deserves its own post) taken from my most recent relationship: two months into the relationships my “gf” (more of a primary) realised she had virtually no power over me. In order to regain some she played a very risky tactic. After fucking, and after the post-coital bliss had worn off she said that this was the last night we would spend together. She was lying right next to me while she said that. I didn’t even flinch but only said: “sure, that’s fine”, and that was that. She had expected me to get nervous, which would have made her gain power. Instead, I was completely indifferent. She would not have shit tested me if she had wanted to dump me (and even if she would have been serious I wouldn’t have given a fuck, to be honest).
Her reaction to my complete lack of a reaction was certainly interesting: she froze up. Since my arm was around her I could feel that she tensed up. She panicked inwardly. After ten seconds she stammered and uttered that “err.... uh... I didn’t really... I mean.... I wasn’t being serious.... it was supposed to ... errr.... be a joke...” I very calmly said that it didn’t matter and that everything is fine. I also told her she could go anytime she wanted. In the next few hours she was visibly nervous and apologised probably ten times or more.
I exploited this weakness to make her suck my cock with no resistance at all. Before that she had always given me a little speech like “wait a little”, or “not yet” before she eventually got down on me. Suddenly, a “come on, suck me off” was all she needed. Even better: the next morning, after she got dressed I just sat her down on my bed, pulled my pants down and put my cock in her mouth. No protest whatsoever. That’s how you reeducate your girl! BTW, even when we parted she repeated that she didn’t really mean it and she indeed wants to see me again. After having pummeled her ass in this frame war she gave me absolutely no crap for close two months and treated me like a king. Then of course her discontent grew because, obviously, I had other women, but that’s a different story.
Do you know get the point why a rock solid frame is so important? If you get nervous when a chick asks you whether you are “one of those pick-up guys” then how on earth can you expect to deal with some of the clever tactics women try to play on you in relationships?
PU is much more than just a collection of weird tactics and techniques. If you want to get good at this you will have to fundamentally transform your personality (and if this doesn’t apply to you then you shouldn’t read the Beginners board to begin with). One of the cornerstones of having a hassle-free relationship is “abundance mentality.” It is misleading to think this is something that you can acquire by reading about it or by using self-hypnosis. You have to experience that getting laid is nothing special. Not at all. I promise, once you’ve had three women a week you will view things differently. A very important consequence is that after you have experienced abundance you won’t go out of your way for a girl. It’s your way or the highway.
After having been with a certain number of women you will start to realise that basically pussy is just pussy and you won’t fall into the AFC trap of idolising literally/any/ girl that accepts you. Instead, you become the selector. This will also make your relationships healthier because you won’t pick a girl for some superficial reasons. More likely, you will pick a girl because you genuinely like her. This is better for the two of you. She will enjoy being with you much more than with any AFC she accidentally met in her social circle.
Some time ago I caused a bit of a stir over at the Relationships board because I pointed out that the vast majority of the posts are by guys who “got lucky” and want to keep the girl at all costs. Effectively, those dudes are beginners who “graduate” to the relationships board, which leads to the sad current state that most of this board is nothing but a disgrace for mASF.
>girlfriend really what mASF was meant for? Was it really?
A typical case:
“ my girlfriend does not do sex a lot and i lost my job ...”
“What to tolerate and how to behave?”
“ If she says "Not tonight"”
“Girl logs off messenger without saying goodbye”
“LTR making demands after moving in together”
“fucked a girl for two months...She lost attraction”
“HB7 nexted me, I am orbiter, how win back attraction?”
“I need help with my LDR. I have a fear of loss.”
“Getting her horny by being nice”
Here is why PU will help you with your current or potential future relationship problems, even if all you want is just getting a girlfriend:
1) Rock solid frame
2) Abundance mentality
3) You will learn to chose
