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Wake her up gently
When you approach a girl, you are catching her flat-footed. Bear in mind that 90% of the women (probably even more) are not used being opened outside a night club by a stranger. And if you are in a night club probably 90% of the girls are not used being opened by a stranger, who isn’t drunk. So give them some time to adapt to the situation. Do some small-talk and start with the real stuff later on.
I think this is what most Pick-Up books got really wrong. Many of them talk about this thing called bitch shield. Honestly, I never ever experienced such a thing as a bitch shield. When I approach a girl and talk to her (whether it is a 10 or a 7), they all were polite. Some were indeed a little colder at the beginning, but that is exactly what I mean by waking her up. Just keep talking to her. But don’t start too early with C&F/Negs. If she is challenging you, go ahead with C&F and this whole anti-bitch-shield stuff, that is being sold to us. Otherwise there is no point in it early on. When you notice, that she is obviously upset/annoyed, but too polite to tell you, even after talking a few minutes to her, then give her a smile and say "goodbye was nice meeting you...“.
Give her some time to adapt to the situation and just being friendly helps really. After that go ahead with what you want
Kino Escalation:
I always started with Kino Escalation when things seemed to be save. Save = she sending me clear IOIs or even started first with Kino. However, that was pretty rare and I really got the impression, that I always messed it up somehow. My clues were, that I was giving too much value or being too formal and not playful enough. That might be the case, however recently I suddenly started Kino-ing on girls, that showed no IOIs. I would also go on with Kino Escalation during the talk, even if it didn’t go all that well from the start (like last night for example). And guess what, as soon as I started Kino -> IOIs. And not only IOIs, the whole conversation started getting better and more interesting.
I think I may have underestimated the role of Kino in the early seduction phase. Don't do the same mistake!
Giving her IOIs
Something, that I learned with Pick-Up and probably even perfected to a certain degree is to approach a girl, while giving her the illusion to be not hitting on her. Same goes for just starting a conversation with a girl when you are in a social circle. However, even if this kind of indirect/situational approach is good in my opinion, you have to show her somehow, that you are interested. Giving her a compliment about her style or ask her what she is doing and telling her, that is cool. For example monday evening I met a girl I opened a few weeks ago . I started up the conversation again and asked her about a club. She replied, that she doesn’t like this club at all. I was astonished and gave her a sceptical look, she tried to explain why not and even apologized somehow. I laughed and told her, that I hated this club, because of the terrible house music and that was the moment I told her: "You are cool, I might have gotten a wrong impression at first.“ Suddenly she brightened up and the conversation went on in a totally different mood.
I think it is okay to show some affection, when going in with a indirect/situational opener. As long as you don’t give her a 100% she will be comfortable with it. Trying too hard with C&F, negs and stuff, because for example you think she is out of your league will scare her away.
