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There is a lot of info on fast seduction on this forum. But fast seduction by itself is incomplete. I do a mix of fast seduction coupled with slow, long term seduction. I don't actually think about this, I have just been doing it. This is a typical scenario:
1) I meet a HB. I run through the standard FS routines. Their first impression is, this guy is friendly. Their second impression is, he is entertaining to listen to. The third impression is, he is funny. My value now is way up.
2) At this point, more often than strict FS guys, I will break. I know I have her interest, and the fact that I break here makes her even more interested. It always works. They are stunned. "WTF, he just left?"... "what's wrong with me?"... "did he not like me?"...
3) All I need to do at this point, is go back for a few seconds and find a way to contact her later. I will provide opportunities, and 90% of the time they take bait and offer me their info. They are still not sure... is Chopan interested in me? does he like me? they are hoping, so they give me their email, their IM, their number, whatever (sometimes all 3 lol). It makes NO DIFFERENCE to me, I think a lot of guys obsess over this way too much. Please keep in mind that the difference in this contact exchange is that they are interested in me, and they are not sure if I am interested in them.
HB: Here is my email, I would love to try that sometime, just let me know when.
The rest here is non-verbal communication. I'll just grab her hands, look her in the eyes, smile the "you are mine" smile, and walk away. I communicate an aweful lot here, this is something I can't write about you just have to see it and see how well it works. It is what she has been waiting for. A spike of hope... "wow he really stared into my eyes"... right alongside "God he didn't even ask for my number". And "I am confused". This state of confusion is something I want.
I will then call them, I setup a day 2. Before I forget, please let me say that this a method for HSE HB9's and 10's. I wrote another thread here, "not your typical Day 2" on how I setup things that push them out of their comfort zone, where I am the only one they have to trust and rely on, and where we are often isolated... Sometimes physically, sometimes she will just feel that way because of her lack of knowledge about the event. This is where she must trust me and rely on me. I build a real bond here.
Again, a lot of FS guys push for the lay that night. I don't. If she pushes for it I won't resist. But usually I will not press because I am most likely fucking another girl that night, and I just don't have the time. There is zero sexual need here, because the one I worked on 2 weeks ago, the one I worked on 3 weeks ago, the one I worked on 6 months ago, most of them are still around and now we are sexual. This is where the benefits of slow methodical seduction pay off.
So I will setup a few more days with her. Now she may be unavailable, she may have a BF, she may have even thought at first that she is too good for me. I don't care. A whole myriad of these problems are wiped away because I have yet to show an overt interest, I have yet to create any scenario where she can say "But I have a BF". But she continues to spend time with me where she is slowly just falling...
Next step is that I start to engage her social life a little. I have spent a lot of time with her alone, I have thrilled her, now she wants to know how I fit into her life. Her friends and family. Even her BF if there is one. This takes some skill and I can't write a whole book here but basically I become the person they adore. The girl's interest peaks even further. All her friends are asking her by now... "where did you find him?" and "is there anything going on?".... she replies with "No, I think we are just freinds" simply because I have given no clear indications. All my signs of interest are subtle.... they are all non-verbal. You don't need to say a single word to show a woman that you find her attractive. To me, verbalizing is almost a desperate move. Allow the natural energy of your interactions to build. Allow the sexual tension to build. In the meantime she is continuing to hope there will be more to this than a friendship.
I keep her in this confused state, a non-verbal, BL communication mode literally all the way into sex. Almost every girl will ask me once we are having sex "Have you been thinking about this as long as I have?"
I now have to skip over a lot of stuff but what I have secured here is a lot more than a SNL. I have secured her true interest. If she finds out there are others, it isn't a deal breaker. It is a competition. The intensity just builds. So I wind up with this line of super HB's that are constantly making themselves available to me, and I am picking and choosing who to see when.
There is some negativity when they find out they are not the only one. This does not bother me. It only shows you have done your work and they are very interested in you. This is another concept a lot of guys don't get. The girl gets upset and the guy goes into damage recovery mode. I just let them marinate in it. No love = no pain. No pain = no anger. If you have anger, you have feelings. The more they tell themselves "Ugh.... there are other women. I don't want to be with him", the more she actually will want to be with you when you give her the slightest attention.
I only sarge to "supplement my stable" for the lack of a better term; whereas a lot of PUA's are sarging because they need to get laid TONIGHT. I have noticed this fundamental difference in styles if you will. There are countless posts that pop up here with certain "issues" that I never experience at all. LJBF... LMR... Needing sex and coming off needy because of it.
These girls are typically the hottest girls that you will see at a bar or club. I weed out the dumb ones because I actually have a harder time keeping them around. They are more for your SNL's. That's OK, I like to have an intelligent conversation once in a while. I'll often be at a venue. I start chatting up some girl. I know one of my girls will be showing up at that event. The first girl may give me a little attitude... Sort of a "I'll be nice to you but don't think you can have me". No problem... I just make sure she knows I am a great guy... That is all I need to secure for now... for the next ten minutes... because 10 minutes later, my slow seduction girl arrives and makes the first one look like shit. You cannot ask for a stronger DHV. Another chance to take this girl. No overt signs of interest. After all, she just saw what you already have. If you are asking her to do something, it must be friendly. Another one to keep in that confused state, until she is asking you what you two are while in bed. HB that came with me:
HB: Did that girl just give you her number?
Both girl's interest... way up. Eventually that means even hotter sex.
I welcome comments and questions on this. This works. I have beautiful women around that other guys are gawking at all the time (myself too, sometimes I cannot fucking believe it). It works. It works it works it works.
Guys I wanted to share with you something that works great for me.
Chopan: It's tomorrow. Can you handle that? (this is a test when I give them very short notice. I want to put them in a bad position and see how they react)
HB: Oh crap, no I have to be at work, but when is the next time? (she passes test)
Chopan: Maybe next week, I will let you know.
They just want to make sure now they won't be rejected 30 minutes from now. Of course that is not my plan, and I will just stop... I will look in her eyes, I will smile, and just nod "yes". She lets go, and after that is just great sex. At this point, this girl is doing things to me she has not done to any of her past boyfriends. She wants this to work, bad.
Chopan: Yeah she's pretty cool, she just wanted some advice on XYZ cuz she was going to do ABC with her BF.
HB: Sure... she probably is just interested in you
Chopan: I don't think so. She has a BF. Stop thinking like that.
