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There are others, but this is enough for a summer sargeathon.
A reiteration of why this is bad:
My primary MO is to stack in the beginning, and have a couple routines memorized in case I stall. This has been absolutely invaluable.
A few field observations:
2) Don't let there be an obvious pause. You should notice the energy of the set starting to die, or a stall of just a second should be enough to tee off your piece of material.
3) My stacks run pretty long, like 5 Attraction Routines, but I've never run past an opener and two routines. Seriously, never, some pieces of material I wanted to try I never did for that reason. I'll either be blown out or reach the way point where they ask me a question or tell me something I can banter off of. I'm getting to this way-point far more now. It's amazing how much just having interesting thing to say, bringing value and not trying for rapport is going to generate some interest. Sometimes I run more "natural" sets where instead of canned material I just blabber about shit going on in my life (and generally I talk about the same thing all night). I get to that waypoint less, especially if what I blabber about isn't very interesting, but it's still much better. Have SOMETHING teed up, regardless of your style
4) The waypoint of them contributing or asking you questions means much less than I thought it did. It's not attraction. It's not even a real hook point. A couple points about this:
OK, now I pissed off people who do natural game» and people who stack relentlessly. Cool
b) I lose the set after this waypoint most of the time now. Like pretty soon afterwards, within 2-4 minutes most of the time. I haven't worked on this area of my game that much, so it's understandable. In this case, knowing routines can help in the sense of having a lot of cool bits memorized and letting them come out when she says something related can get you some solid attraction, but stacking is much harder. So your vibing inherently has to be attractive. My guess, though I don't know since I don't get past this often, is that it's a combination of a) Wit, being able to spin busting, misintepretation, etc. into the conversation b) having an interesting and compelling identity and generally spinning DHVs into your vibing and c) smooth qualification. This is my KJing though. Either way, it's one of those things that really points to the fact that there are no short-cuts in the game, you have to have attractive conversation in general. My next verbal thing to work on after this summer (where I'll mostly work on sticking points #3 and 4) is to work on my humor for 6 months (maybe longer).
For any of you who have been up to date about my game lately, I've set out to fix four main sticking points this summer:
1) Running out of shit to say
2) Not kinoing enough
3) Not showing enough sexual intent
4) Not IODing and breaking rapport enough
I want to talk about the first one. I've almost completely solved this one. I don't remember the last time I actually ran out of shit to say.
1) Girls hate awkwardness. Awkward silences are terrible for your game
2) If you stick around through the silence, or you re-initiate with something lame that's obviously a way to re-initiate the conversation, you're showing way too much interest in the set
1) For anti-stall routines, the best option is: an IVD. Something like the Ring Routine is perfect, and that's the default for me. But you can use anything, the 5 Questions Game, whatever. The reason: the energy is low, so if you spit your banter/C&F routine or animated story, it's going to look like you're trying too hard, and the vibe will be off/the material just too situationally irrelevant. An IVD is intriguing and generally leads to a lot of potential for conversational threads afterwards.
a) Don't cut their threads and keep stacking material. I really don't understand how anyone good runs 10-15 min of material. I don't understand how that can work. The main reason: you're punishing good behavior. She'll no longer be urged to contribute.
(I once went out with a guy (Sirducer) who really disliked using community material and said it never worked for him. I saw why: he was 6'2, with an accent, and a former model. He got to this waypoint immediately in his approaches. Like 75% of the time they immediately asked where he was from. A couple times he didn't get there right away and he couldn't turn it around at all)
