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TANDEM HUNTING — using your bi LTR to score a threesome.
Okay, this is ridiculously long, but it’s like my doctoral thesis for thissite.
I hope it is helpful and fun for all, and I hope it sparks some good dialogue
and contribution! (Or even some funny flames).
I was in Africa a few years ago to climb Mt. Kilimanjaro. Once you fly all the
way to Africa, it makes sense to go on a little safari while you’re there so…
Driving through the Serengeti our guide pointed out a cheetah walking right out
in the open. Not far away there was a heard of these little antelopes (dik-dik,
actually). Then our guide told us that there would almost certainly be another
cheetah hiding in the grass somewhere beyond the little antelopes. Sure enough,
the antelopes started moving slowly away from the cheetah that was out in the
open. Their attention was completely focused on the cat because it was walking
casually towards them from upwind. A second later there was a blur, a scattering
of antelope, two sprinting streaks, and BAM! one dead antelope. Our guide
explained that cheetahs will often go “tandem hunting”-- and then share the
feast!
My Bi GF and I frequently went tandem hunting. (Not for dik-dik, but for pussy,
wise guys). I know many PUAs on this board are interested in scoring more
3somes, so I am starting this string to present my observations on effective
methodology based on extensive field testing, and hopefully to start a dialogue
that will bring in the observations of other, more advanced PUAs on the subject.
Tandem Hunting is very different from using pivots or wings. Pivots are for
social proof and creating intrigue (is that HB his GF?). Wings are indeed
hunting partners—but generally speaking, though you are hunting cooperatively,
you are hunting individually. That is, you will not share prey and will feast
separately. (Though sometimes you may have a Guy-Guy-Girl 3some with your wing,
this is generally not the goal and not the subject of this post).
Okay, I’m going to split this into three parts.
1. How to turn your bi LTR/GF/FB into an effective hunting partner.
2. Effective, field proven tandem hunting tactics
3. How to keep your bi LTR/GF/FB from wigging out after she sees you fucking
other girls.
Part I: Getting Your Bi GF to Agree to the Tandem Hunt
Okay, I’m going to assume for the moment that you’ve already got a relationship
with a Bi HB. Whether she is an adventurous FB, an LTR, or a full fledged GF is
not that important. The main thing is that you have established a sexual
relationship with an HB who either had previous sexual relationships with women,
or expresses an interest in fucking other girls in the future. There are plenty
of them out there, so if you don’t have one yet—get to work and find her. Trying
to turn your straight girl into a bi girl who has never expressed any interest
in girl-girl sex is a waste of time IMO.
IMPE most bi girls are de facto sexually adventurous and require very little
convincing to try tandem hunting. In fact, they are frequently relieved that you
brought it up first because they have probably already been fantasizing about
it. If not, getting them to fantasize about it is the first step.
While you are fucking her, tell her to imagine that she is going down on another
girl at the same time. (I usually give her some freshly dipped fingers to lick
on and let her force her tongue between them). You will both enjoy this
massively. (She may respond better to language like—imagine I am forcing you to
go down on this other girl because you’ve been bad and I want to punish you,
etc.—she’s your girl, you find her buttons!)
After she is fantasizing about it, bring up doing it for real, and establish
trust and safety rules in advance. For example, tell her that if she wants,
you’ll only touch her and not the other girl. Or you’ll only fuck the other
girl, but not kiss her, or just kiss and not fuck, or whatever makes her
comfortable. Also, establish a “safety word.” “Safety words” are usually used in
S&M situations to indicate that somebody actually wants the action to stop (vs.
just begging for mercy as part of the vibe). Likewise, when you establish a code
that will allow her to abort mission if she gets uncomfortable, it will go a
very long way to soothing her fears and it make it much LESS likely that she
will actually want to stop the action.
At this point you should be good to go. Follow the rules you established!
Especially in the beginning. Maybe your first 3some she won’t want you to touch
the other girl. Okay. Still really fun. IME she will usually be so turned on
that she will beg you to get more involved. Especially after you’ve done it a
few times.
Part II: Tandem Hunting Tactics
I’m curious about other PUA experience in this field, but I have found tandem
hunting PU’s to be incredibly easy. It’s two on one. I think my friend the
Cheetah would agree, it’s twice as easy.
However, I must qualify that though I have a great deal of field experience
here, the vast majority of it was with one particular bi GF who was SHB 9 and a
very skilled PUA herself! (hey man, cheetahs hunt with other cheetahs, not
turtles and bunnies!)
In general, tandem hunting has these benefits—you are heavily socially proofed
by having a female hunting partner. There is nothing more alpha and intriguing
to a target IMO. Second, you get a free pass on certain trust issues leading to
full isolation—girls feel safer with girls. And, perhaps most importantly, you
get a free pass past the bitch shield. SHBs do not bitch shield couples! (note:
unless they’re strippers). This simplifies things immeasurably for me b/c
passing bitch shields with negging, BL, and active ignorance, etc., is a
definite SP for me (I usually need pivots— but I’m working on it!).
Okay, actual field tested tactics:
The “find” portion of the equation is relevant and complex here because you need
to find a girl who meets the requirements of BOTH hunters. There’re HBs that
turn you on, HBs that turn her on, and… HOPEFULLY… there is some common subset
that turns both of you on. Further, of these girls, not all are interested in a
girl-girl experience (though IME, that was far less of a problem than finding a
target that we could agree on). We found the best places for sarging were trendy
dance clubs and… weddings! (crazy, but true. We went to 4 weddings together and
hooked up 3 times). In clubs we were both always very peacocked and definite
exhibitionists. We would PAIMAI by just being very sexual and making EC with
targets that interested us (sometimes making EC WHILE making out). This seemed
to get other HBs very turned on. Making sexual EC with another HB while making
out with your GF is like sharing a dirty little secret with her. Very
transgressive.
Once we got some IOI/sexual EC, we approached. We used basically 2 approaches
and had very close to 100% success in opening. The first was our own variation
on TD’s “Creepy, Creepy” opening. (This was before I had ever heard of mASF).
After some AFC guy got shot down by her bitch shield, we would approach SHB with
a Beavis and Butthead impression.
Bi GF: Uh-huh-huh. Huh-huh. You’re hot. Huh-huh.
Me: Yeah! Yeah! You’re HOT! HOT! Hehehehe!
This was so f’ing funny. They would practically burst into flame from laughing
so hard. Partially the release of tension of having somebody “get” how awkward
it is to deal with an AFC when you’re SHB. (Secret society?) After that we’re
her new best friends. Remember: she’s already seen us making out and we’ve
already made some sexual EC with her. Girls who did not send IOIs were not
approached. I think that is very key to the later part of the game.
The other opener was super direct and maybe AFC in some ways, but it was very
effective. I was the cheetah in the open, and Bi GF was hiding in the bushes.
She would stand behind me and make kind of shy but sexual EC with the target. I
would approach and just say, “My GF thinks you’re really pretty, and she really
wants to kiss you.” I mean, you can’t get more AFC, but the delivery is super
casual, super laid back. Like, “we’re gonna get laid anyway so we don’t really
care either way.” At this point we were sort of sex-stoned from kissing, so when
I said that my GF wanted to kiss her, it was almost like “passing her the
joint.” We’re in this incredible state of arousal and I’m inviting you to have
some too. What sane person would say no? Important point here: Sometimes DID
say, “no,” but yet—they always opened. After that we were in Cn’F and generally
teasing and having fun with them. We’d start kino very quickly. Here’s another
random observation: if a guy tells an HB that she’s pretty, it’s death. If
another HB does it… well… it seems to work. Bi GF would always tell them how
beautiful/sexy she thought they were. They seemed to love it. I would counter
that by being almost aloof, very confident.
(Another note here: In our experience these tactics were 100% non-effective on
strippers. We sarged many strippers and never once succeeded in bringing one
home.)
We would generally phase shift pretty quickly and begin seducing. One tactic was
just to get to a couch in the chill out area and escalate kino. The other, very
effective, was Bi GF and target would go to the bathroom together. In the
bathroom Bi GF would admire target’s top, and then talk her into playing a trick
on me! They would switch tops in the bathroom to see if I’d notice! (Haha—after
the hundredth time I’d still pretend not to notice). Bi GF never wore a bra, so
this definitely got sexual thoughts going in any target.
I’m VERY interested in comments on this next part. Before full isolation I would
always pull the target aside. I would give her very level and open EC and tell
her in a very straightforward way: “Look, in the next few minutes this place is
going to close and we’re probably going to bring you back to our place for some
drinks and stuff. I want you to know right up front that nothing’s going to
happen that you don’t want to happen. I mean, my GF is really into you, and we
are definitely going to try to seduce you, but, I mean, it’ll be whatever you’re
comfortable with. If you just want to make out with her, or just me, or if you
want to go all the way… Whatever. It’s just all sexy fun. We’re fine. We’re
getting laid anyway, so just do what feels good for you. K?”
My question to the masters is—do you think they came home with us partially
because this was effective, or in spite of the fact that this was so incredibly
bad??
Once home, a good escalation close is a kissing contest. We both kiss target and
she judges who is better. Then we switch judges. This usually snowballed into an
oral sex contest!
As for LMR, well, we encountered it sometimes at home, but 2 on 1 is very heavy
peer pressure and ASD goes down b/c Bi-GF is kind of de facto sluttier than
target will ever be! Sometimes to get around LMR we’d just start going at
it—when Bi-GF started coming and screaming, etc., the excitement usually just
overwhelmed the target and she’d practically rape us.
Another general observation is that I was always the aggressor in moving things
forward. Bi-GF was always clear on not being comfortable in that area — she
would say, “I’m a girl. I want to be pursued, not the other way around.” But
that’s also why she was so good at drawing attraction from targets.
We *closed, 3 way kiss, heavy petting, etc. 80% of the targets we opened.
F-close at least 50% of those using pretty much only these tactics.
PART III: Keeping Bi GF/LTR Happy
Well, every girl is different, and will have different emotional needs. But
here’s what worked for me, and I think these things are helpful.
The most important rule is: Only come in your GF!! At first that was just our
understanding/rule. But later, in the heat of the moment, Bi GF used to whisper
to me while I was fucking the target that she wanted to watch me come in her.
This was a very devious reverse shit test. I never did. I’d say something like,
“no, baby, that’s too intimate, I only want to share that with you,” or some
such drivel. The next morning she’d always say something really thankful about
how she was so glad that I didn’t listen to her and how I knew what she wanted
better than she did, and how she would have been really jealous if I had, etc.
But by cultivating this, no matter how many other girls we seduced, there was
always something special that she never had to share. This made her feel kind of
proud and superior no matter how hot the target was (in the beginning she didn’t
want to go after any targets that were SHB 9-10). It was very reinforcing for
her good behavior.
The other thing is a general psychological vibe. It was ALWAYS us vs. the
target. Never, ever let the target have more control over the situation than
your GF/LTR unless you want to blow a good thing. If the target really wants you
to come on her face, or whatever her thing is, and it makes your GF/LTR
uncomfortable—even though YOU really WANT to do it—never, ever take sides with
the target! 3somes are fun! You will want to do it again next weekend, so don’t
blow it!
To promote the Us vs. Target mentality we used to play a lot of little games.
We’d get the target to do something and then kind of wink to each other behind
her back. It was very fun and playful and really, honestly—people say if you
have a 3some it will have some negative impact on your relationship, but it’s
nonsense—this playful attitude of seducing girls together brought us closer. I’d
give details here on some of these games, but it would just turn into porn, and
that’s not the point. Be creative. Keep everyone involved. Taking turns isn’t a
3some… it’s just taking turns.
Last note: Have a LOT of condoms. You will need WAY more than you might think
b/c part of the fun of 3ways is the vast variety of holes. IOW, you’ll
transition from fucking to oral a lot, and from girl to girl a lot. I don’t use
condoms for oral, so it’s like on, off, on, off, on, off, on, off. And re-using
is just nasty!
Hope these tips help the PUAs who are cultivating bi-LTRs and are ready of the
next step! IME it’s way easier than you think it’s gonna be once you get
started. And I really look forward to feedback and additional discussion from
those who’ve done this in a very different way.
As grandma used to say… Be good. And if you can’t be good, be careful.
fortuna favet audad...
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know
