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Let me qualify by stating at the outset that I LOVE and ADORE women and I am just stating the obvious here, from my studies and field experience. Anyone who thinks I don't love women is (willfully) ignorant, so feel free to post another big essay about random, vague "problems" that you are having with "the community" or vague complaints about obscure belief systems of unnamed "gurus" who say things in unknown posts that you can't or won't understand and feel compelled to "warn" everyone else about. LMAO

MY TRAVELS

I am having a great time here in Helsinki with Franco, talking about our favorite topic, female psychology. We have our first bootcamp together this morning.

Uncle Walker's recent thread in Relationships is absolutely fascinating, I challenge anyone to find such rich threads in almost all of the pre-2005 archives. Such a wonderful case study with tons of great advice and observations, and I actually found my verbose self with little or nothing to add

PRINCESS SYNDROME

What is the Princess Syndrome, how do you recognize it, and how can you use this knowledge to your advantage?

See UW's thread and also Tubarao's recent thread on Magic Relationship Syndrome.

This is intended to be an expansion of ideas found in those two threads.

Cultural Indoctrination

Where in the world would a guy get the idea that it's cool to shower a woman with romantic gifts before she's even kissed him? Or the ridiculous ideas that women don't like sex, well, except for the dirty WHORES LOL.. Or the idea that pining over a women who is acting like a bitch and 'letting her know how you feel' is a good idea?

It's cultural indoctrination. It really is.

I was sitting down with my 3-year old daughter watching Ella Enchanted , a Disney Princess movie. You can hear more on my Episode #53 as to why I was so shocked by it, but suffice it to say that the mindsets conveyed are:

- Pervasive

- Sugar-coated

- Passed off as TOTALLY NORMAL

- Everything works out in the end, ie "happily ever after".

Most of us here are all well aware of the AFC results among men from this shit. But what about the flip side, the women?

Core Princess Beliefs

1. Unhealthy Sense of Entitlement. Women today EXPECT men to supplicate. As Franco has pointed out, when they are unable to betaize a man, they often get DEPRESSED. They have been taught all their lives that if they are charming enough or beautiful enough, then the prince will "fall for them".

In reality, AFCs DO fall for them. But then, surprisingly, they just want to fuck ME behind his back LOL...

The cognitive dissonance here is resolved by:

2. Strong Belief in Fate. Whatever happens is just "meant to be". Therefore, if a man will not supplicate, it comes down to corollary beliefs like:

- It wasn't meant to be
- The man is unsuitable for a princess like me (ie it's all his fault)
- Just a little while longer and he will be totally hooked on my magic pussy. It's worked over and over again!

To me, the saddest part of all this is that, based on the two core beliefs of a princess, there is NO need to sit back and analyze "what went wrong". To sit around and discuss male psychology – as we do with females over in Relationships and elsewhere – is a completely preposterous notion for a Princess.

Franco and I were noting that it seems that women simply DO NOT LEARN FROM MISTAKES when it comes to their relationships. Seriously, how often do you hear women apologizing for fuckups?

They are not all Princesses

I have a GF who occasionally has a drama outburst (as pretty much all HD women will do). I react by saying, Hey cool! Just let me know if you need to talk! then I cut the thread and magically I am busy with something else. You would need to see me in action to fully understand that this does not come across like I am BULLSHITTING, it's just that my priorities dictate that my schedule has little if any time for playing the tampon role. I will genuinely ask with concern if her girlfriends are available. Then, mysteriously, my motivation to speak with or spend time with her is proportionately LESS for the next little while. Typically, two or three days later:

HB: Hey, I hope you're not mad at me!

Joseph: Why would I be mad at you baby? Did you break something of mine? Fuck a hot chick without inviting me? What?

HB: No I just thought maybe you were tired of my emotional outbursts like the one the other day!

Joseph: What? what are you talking about? Oh that? Nahhh, you're a woman, right? LOL... why don't you grab some beers and come over tonight and we'll catch up?

That's as close to a female apology as you'll likely ever see and the key is to really reward it. Here she is expressing some fear of losing me, for sure, so I reward her by SUBCOMMUNICATING that I still love her, thereby reducing her cause for fear. But the message is clear: I DO reduce my time and energy with her when she behaves badly, BUT this is part of the natural ebb and flow of any relationship, so it ain't no big deal.

When a woman comes to harm my material interests directly, that's a different matter, of course.

Another GF of mine is an RAFC. Formerly fat chick. Really WANTS to understand the male mind and how we tick. FASCINATED by all of the stuff we read and write over here. I mean, genuinely loves it. She is a real gem. She wants to write a book about how to spot a player and how to deal with one, how he will take you on a roller coaster of emotions like no other.

How to Handle a Princess

So, you can spot a Princess by her unhealthy sense of entitlement and by her strong belief in fate. You CANNOT reason with or negotiate with these women! It will only be interpreted by them as WEAKNESS, if they listen to you at all. Here is what you CAN do, however:

- Never take her bullshit seriously. I mean that. You must have fun with it. If she blows out, so be it. I am not saying don't be EMPATHETIC. I actually feel sorry for these chicks. I only need to be an asshole with them if they are damaging my interests or threatening to, but even then it's pretty pointless. Usually, a HARD NEXT is all you can do at that point.

- Spank her! That's right, I said spank her! She may very well have a belief that she needs to be "punished" from time to time. If she doesn't have that belief, she ought to! And if she doesn't have that belief, you will tire of her, probably sooner than later, especially if you are enjoying MLTR like me.

- When there are problems in the relationship, it's usually a FRAME BATTLE. She wants to own the frame and you want to own the frame. She will throw vicious double binds at you (see UW!). The way to preempt such double binds is to say something like:

Joseph: I am sad about this. The Gods must be working against us! This is just not meant to be! It is fate!

A Princess simply cannot argue with that LOL. And the only way to handle a double bind is to refuse the frame or the context from the beginning, ie, my frame vs. her frame battle gets flipped into, "it's out of OUR hands!".

Mostly, this is for your own amusement and psychological health and happiness. You really can't do much about the Princess Syndrome, except TRASH all your Disney Princess movies before your daughters get too hooked on them.

That's what I did, anyway