mASF post by "Jestor"
posted on: mASF forum: Tactics / Techniques Discussion, March 3, 2005Style, props for the post. I've been online sarging for a long time now and
have to wonder why it's not talked about more. The vast majority of girls I
meet are from online nowadays.
I have a few comments to add of my own. IMO some of the things you advocate
are a little extreme and can really blow up in your face, although they are
very attractive sounding in text.
On 3/22/05 6:03:00 AM, Style wrote:
>STEP ONE: COMPOSING THE AD
>It goes against all logic, but
>the best profile is one in
>which you are a TOTAL
>ASSHOLE. The first line of my
I don't fully agree with this. I would replace asshole with edgy and *knows*
what he wants. You don't want to sound grumpy and out of control. But I would
stress that having an edge that goes against the grain of the culture is good.
But that's a bit of marketing too, kind of like "made you look" or "I'm the guy
who interrupts your girls night out". It's always worth a second look.
Also, girls need to see the light-heartedness as well as the character behind
the profile.
>profile is: I'm a selfish
>prick. THEN I go on to
>describe my looks and
>physique. FINALLY, I tell them
>that I don't give a fuck
>what anybody thinks. I do what
>I want when I want. (Most of
>this is from
>Lovedrop, so I'm only
>paraphrasing in case he
>doesn't want it posted.)
I'm guessing that to pull this off you need some element of humor and fun in
your profile as well, otherwise you just come across as juvenile, or too
grumpy. You can say what you want yes but have to offer something in return.
This is best done indirectly with language structure, like saying "if you can
handle all that, and don't mind getting corrupted a bit feel free to get in
touch". Get her imagination going with "written" demonstrations.
>Everything in the profile is
>designed to make me seem like
>a choosy selfish
>asshole seducer. My tagline,
>adapted from Zan, is: "Run
>away, little girl."
I like this. I have a similar one "you wanted the best...you got the worst"
>Finally, for the coup de
>grace, is something adapted
>from Gamemaster. When
>I describe what I'm looking
>for, I say, "If I had to write
>a newspaper personal,
>it would read something like
>this..." Then I go on to
>describe, somewhat
>facetiously, that I'm a
>well-hung sexually talented
>stud looking for a married
>woman who wants to make her
>husband jealous in order to
>procure
>expensive gifts from him."
This is good, but it's also part marketing. The vast majority of men write
much less content-wise anyway, so when a standout profile comes along many
bite.
>Again, you can figure out your
>own wording. If you're really
>retarded and
>need it spelled out, let me
>know and I'll consider posting
>a link to my profile.
>
>For the picture, I don't post
>an actual photo. I post a
>SKETCH someone has
>done of me. If you don't have
>a friend with art skills, just
>get a sketch of
>yourself done by a street
>sketch artist or at a comic
>convention or something.
I like this a lot. I actually have my own real life shot and it works pretty
well too.
>This way, girls looking for
>profiles with photos will come
>across your profile,
>but at the same time, you'll
>be able to hook them with your
>personality before
>they can just disqualify you
>as not being their type.
I like to get them on msn as a first message just to avoid that. I found that
writing them and trying to start communication is kind of afc since you are
trying to get the ball rolling when having nothing to work with beyond "hey,
where are you from?...been here long?"...much better to get them on msn, chat
them up, then get them on phone, then set up a meet. I say "hi, if you have
msn feel free to add me, xxx***x@ho***.com[ ? ]". And they usually do.
Another way is if they happen to be online the same time as you, then you can
message them and just ask them what's up, then get them on msn. Or just keep
messaging a bit back and forth and then give them your number and tell them to
call you right now.
>Often, girls will write me
>just to ask, "Are you for
>real?" because my profile is
>so outlandish.
>
>STEP TWO: THE FIRST
>COMMUNICATION
>Whether I write the girl or
>she writes me, my letter is
>always pretty much the
>same. I keep it short. Two
>paragraphs. The intention is
>that I am the prize,
>and she will have to work to
>get me.
Screen in the profile..no sexual hang ups, no issues with men...no agenda...
>1. I bust her balls on
>something in her profile.
>("What's with the hat? Is the
>top of your head pointy or
>something?")
It can seem try hard to do that. Busting is okay though, keeps the excitement
alive, but make it natural. And you need some rapport too as well.
>2. I give her a hoop to jump
>through, so that she has to
>meet my standards. I
>also usually give her a
>nickname. Example: "I'll tell
>you what, imp. Email me
>at [Insert your email address]
>and tell me three qualities
>you possess that
>would make me want to get to
>know you better. I will, of
>course, send you a
>non-illustrated pic -- two if
>I like what you have to say."
I can see this working on *some* girls. Btw what area are you in and how do
you deal with dating frame issues? I deal with that in my profile as part of
screening. I'm in toronto and the dating frame is strong here but these chicks
still have "rules" which are very ingrained in them (chicks that I end up
meeting). So I agree with you on the day2 versus the day1 lay attempt, as a
way to overcome that.
>STEP THREE: EXCHANGE PICS
>Okay. She'll send you her
>reply. Usually, you can tell
>by the tone what she's
>after. More than half the
>time, there will be a hint of
>sexual suggestion in
>there.
Some chicks seem sexual enough over the 'net but in person they are frigid.
Not too much sex talk is best. Hinting is good though.
>In your response, bust her
>balls a little, but tell her
>you're impressed (as if
>she's winning you over). Now I
>put her on the points system.
>"You've earned
>three points for your sense of
>humor and three for your
>adventurousness," I
>may say. "At 15, you win my
>phone number."
I like. I sense your tone is playful. Very important.
>Now, for the picture, this is
>key. I used to lose the girl
>when I sent some
>dumb digicam photo of myself.
depends on the photo. Is it a pic of you trying to look cool. Or just a pic
of you not trying to pose for a pic.
>Fortunately, about a year ago,
>someone took
>a photo of me for a magazine,
>so i tell the girl I don't
>have a digital camera,
>but I scanned a photo from a
>magazine for her. This is
>great, because it's
>great social proof and also a
>little mysterious.
Good idea. Social proofing in this case shouldn't be too obvious. Magazine =
social proof = subtle. Picture of you with girls nearby = try hard =
transparent. You can have a pic of you which is cropped which excludes the
girls from the picture but clearly shows that there are girls in the pic with
you (maybe the side of a dress or some cleavage)
>If you don't have a photo
>that's appeared in a magazine,
>a school newspaper,
>a society page, whatever (they
>don't have to know where it's
>from), just make
>one. All you need is a good
>photo, a magazine, a scanner,
>and Photoshop.
>I've had friends make really
>funny ones, with good
>captions. Usually, they'll
>take a photo of themselves
>out, or with a celeb
>(non-posed), and make it look
>like it's from the party pages
>of In-Style or something.
Any picture is good if it looks cool and not try hard.
>STEP FIVE: THE PHONE CALL
>
>I only make one phone call.
>That's all it takes. All she
>needs to do is to hear
>your voice (to know that
>you're for real and not some
>sort of psycho). Here's
>the phone structure I use:
>1. Don't say hello and
>introduce myself. Instead,
>refer to a private joke from
>my emails (such as saying,
>"Hi, imp," if that's her
>nickname), so that she
>automatically recognizes who
>it is.
Phone game is good to have. Flirt and tease and get rapport and set up a meet.
And don't hesitate to ask her if she actually read your profile, or remind her
of what you're screening for via story-telling.
Then set up as meet, like in a pub or bar as you mention, with other places
around for venue changing purposes.
If someone is good at this there should be no discomfort (break in congruency)
from the online communication. That's why it's important to not cut and paste
someone else's profile. Make it your own.
>STEP SIX: THE FIRST MEETING
>1. You need to pre-plan two
>things: One is a second venue
>to take her to if
>you like her. A venue change
>IS key. Two, I recommend
>bringing friends.
>Pretend like you bumped into
>them there, if you want. It
>surprises her when
>you're with someone, and also
>socially proofs you.
Can go alone and chat up other people there. Same effect. And be ready for
AMOGs. Tecnically you're not "with" her and some AMOG can try to out-maneuvre
you, especially if you meet in a club environment and she's attractive. Keep
this in mind when selecting places to meet.
>2. Greet her, then sit down
>with your friends. The game at
>first is ALL body
>language. When i sit with her
>at first, I'm VERY distant
>with my body
>language. It's all negative. I
>need to let her feel that she
>is slowly winning me
>over, that I'm getting
>comfortable with her. Also,
I like this. But it's also a way to get yourself comfortable with her, and see
what she is like before putting the moves on her. I do this myself generally.
It's also related to how long it takes me to get in state since I'm not ON from
the very first minute.
>3. INSTANTLY go into a
>routine. I prefer the Cube.
>Say, "Hey, here's a cool way
>to get to know each other. My
>friend just taught me this.
>Let's try it." Another
>option is to do the lying game
>with one of your friends.
Guys should make up their own routines, using whatever effect they need to get
(sexuality, admiration). Otherwise this is just promoting the social robot
type thinking.
I totally like everything else you write below. It's a good outline for what
to do, no real diff from meeting girls after a # close or insta-dating, which
should be emphasized!!
>2. Now it's just you and her.
>While doing the Cube, you're
>keeping distant BL
>but at the same time
>displaying your humor and
>great personality. As she
>starts warming up to you with
>her BL, you may start giving
>her positive BL.
>But keep fractionating with
>the good BL, as if you're not
>sure.
>5. After a drink or two,
>you'll realize that she's
>beginning to like you. She was
>doubtful at first when you
>met, but now you're really
>winning her over.
>Happens every time. Don't know
>why. You almot feel like you
>could kiss her,
>but don't. Instead...
>6. Venue change. Tell her you
>made plans afterward, because
>you just
>planned on a short meeting,
>but since you're getting along
>so well, she may
>as well tag along. Then go to
>a bar, a concert, wherever.
>You will both run
>into your friends here. Hang
>around, joke around with them,
>and make sure
>she's included and having a
>good time. The time distortion
>of the venue
>change and the fractionation
>of being social again is
>really powerful.
>7. Now, isolate her again. Sit
>on a couch, do the evolution
>phase shift routine,
>and make out. Don't forget to
>do
>two-steps-forward/one-step-bac
>kward
>when making out.
>CLOSING THE DEAL
>Usually, unless it's just one
>hundred percent one, I like to
>wait for the second
>meeting to !close. It's just
>solid game and ensures I don't
>get LMR. So,
>usually, I'll:
>1. Take her back to her car,
>make out with her like crazy,
>and then tell her,
>"I'm trying so hard to be good
>right now." You want to leave
>her well-teased,
>so that she masturbates
>thinking about you that night.
>(I always ask girls in
>bed if they touched themselves
>and thought about what it
>would be like to be
>together, and they always
>confess that they did.)
>2. See her again two or three
>nights later. The most solid
>way to do this is to
>have her come over before
>going out. To drink some wine,
>and start fooling
>around. If it's on with no
>LMR, just !close. If she's
>hesitating, then go out for a
>drink, and take her home
>afterward and !close.
>
>Okay. I hope this isn't too
>basic. But this IS the SOLID
>GAME formula for the
>personals. As long as you have
>some semblance of a
>personality, humor,
>grooming, likability, and
>style, this will make the
>personals such a turkey
>shoot that you'll probably
>stop using because they're so
>boring. Seriously.
>
>Report back with your results!
>Any feedback and criticisms
>are always
>welcome! And please, if you're
>a lurker with no social skills
>whatsoever, make
>sure you market this
>information as an original
>e-book in order to discourage
>the free-flow of good PU ideas
>and techniques on ASF...
>
>Love,
>Your Long-Lost Style
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