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Original discussion thread: http://fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=82162&fid=173
Excerpted from a new guy’s (Promiscuityrules) post in general about secret society membership. He proposes what is essentially a unified thoery of seduction.
This guy’s ideas, while based largely on the work of others, have some profound new insights, and deserve a hearing before Masterminds IMHO.
From Promiscuityrules:
“The "secret" (WTF? why would it be a secret?) to getting laid as you call it, is... meeting (1) a woman's UNCONSCIOUS need for her mate to have acceptance in the social group FIRST and THEN (2) meeting her unconscious need for sex.
Besides arranging logistics, (2) is a no-brainer. Lead, fuck.
Yet it's (2) that is focused on the most, IME, reading up on seduction. We all know by now it's ALWAYS "on". Concealed ovulation is all the evidence I need to assume this. You can use pure emotions to communicate directly with her unconscious to excite this "ground state" of arousal very quickly. You can fire up your own sexual state and she'll actually pick up the vibe. The unconscious mind knows how to fuck, when it's time, without any consciousness whatsoever. You can even do it in your sleep.
This is a wonderful thing.
But... we talk little about (1) the UNCONSCIOUS need for her mate to have ACCEPTANCE IN THE "SOCIAL GROUP" before she will fuck.
THIS UNCONSCIOUS NEED IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN SEX.
"Game" is a conscious strategy to meet an unconscious need.
But the unconscious need is NOT your need for sex! Nor hers!
It is a clever (or not so clever) strategy to meet her need for her mate to have ACCEPTANCE IN THE "SOCIAL GROUP".
"Game" is designed to feel and communicate this acceptance to her, not to get sex. Once you have THIS, assuming you have logistics handled, your UNCONSCIOUS mind can do everything that needs to be done.
The most difficult hurdle for a budding seducer IMO is BELIEVING he has this ACCEPTANCE in the first place. You ain't got no game till you got this belief.”
…and
“Because women INSTINCTIVELY need you to have this acceptance BEFORE they will fuck you. They need this on an UNCONSCIOUS level. You cannot ASK them about it. I will argue on some levels they do not even know they are testing for it.
Of course we all know they will use conscious abilities to find out how accepted in the "social group" a man is.
But I'm NOT talking about that.
I'll say it again. I am talking about the UNCONSCIOUS. This is like that guy who LIKES TO CAPITALIZE important words and who told us that something was "not a choice". Well, this thing isn't either. No matter how well-known and accepted you may be, the process of determining whether you are accepted in the "social group" for the purposes of FUCKING A PICKUP ARTIST is still ultimately determined by her UNCONSCIOUS mind.
To agree with what I am proposing you need to understand:
- the nature and value of acceptance within the social group among social animals as it relates to SURVIVAL (which of course is a prerequisite to REPRODUCTION)* *-I could write a massive post on this alone
- how quickly we have moved from groups to tribes to complex societies where people do not see each other day in and day out
and you must accept:
-that evolution of the unconscious could not possibly keep pace with that rate of change”
http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=81966&fid=8
What I see as “new” in his theory is the idea that a woman’s social needs must:
A) Be met (on some level) before she will fuck.
(Re-read that last part - it's profound. It is exactly the opposite of a man's oreintation, and is thus counterintuitive, yet it explains SO MUCH about female sexual behavior)
As PR points out, most seduction theories focus only on breaking past social “obstacles” so that you can fuck the HB – her only true “need”. The also largely assume that chicks are very deliberate in their social strategies and behaviors.
PR believes, and feel this is somewhat groundbreaking, that her social needs are MORE important, and in fact intertwined with her need to reproduce (sexual needs) and that both are largely out of the conscious awareness of the HB.
My experiences with indirect game (MM) and hypnosis confirms much of his hypothesis regarding the importance of addressing social needs. MM in a positive sense – and SS in the negative (hypnotism causes regret later because it bypasses the social needs of the HB and goes directly to her need to reproduce)
Thus, if the community can develop a set of strategies that address BOTH needs will thus present a unified approach to seduction. I believe that PRs ideas about developing a positive state, and dealing ONLY in what he calls “good feelings” is a promising approach. By adopting such a state, you will influence the state of those around you in a positive way, and they will green light your target for sex with you, because o fthe positive value you give to the group. I like to think of reality as a 4 dimensional substance – like space-time, that can be shaped gravitationally by my state. The stronger my state, the more influence (positive or negative) it will have on those around me.
Guys like Casanova understood this instinctively – they seduced the social circle FIRST, then they isolated and seduced their TARGET. Master seducers like Casanova, Kirkagaard, and Voltaire knew that the true key to any seduction was the use of WORDS and POSITIVE EMOTIONS.
So what MM and other indirect social seduction strategies lack is the hypnotic use of language, and positive state to win over entire groups. Instead, they rely on gimmics, like routines, DHVs and negs to mimic certain desirable traits, and to disarm the social group.
What SS style hypnotic seduction strategies lack is the ability to address the social aspects and consequences of sex. Therefore, chicks get massive buyers remorse when they come out of trance after fucking your brains out.
What is needed is a method to integrate the two – blending a hypnotic social group seduction strategy with SS style one on one seduction. This will then provide men with both the power to actually seduce the social circle, to mate with the chick, and to have the circle approve of the union, thus freeing the chick from the need to deploy ASD and LMR, or hell, or to use other disfunctional state altering strategies like drinking or drugs as an excuse to fuck.
..and for what its worth, I nominate Promiscuityrules for posting privledges in this forum – new or not, right or wrong, his ideas writing are strong, and present some new avenues for us to explore instead of the same old shit we often seem to rehash these days…
To see his whole post, go here:
B) That these needs are unconscious.
C) That her social needs are actually MORE important than SEX.
