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Original discussion thread: http://fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&boardid=2&read=91243&fid=16
First note: What I’m about to describe is an enhancement and modification to my current system. What I do is spelled out in great detail in these two threads (and many posts within each):
http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/16/531060/ http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/16/503750/
There are also many LR’s and FR’s if you DAFS on exactly what I do, including copied and pasted emails and IM conversations. So in reading the below, before you ask a specific question on what I do, please refer to the above posts first if you havn’t already…you may find your answer in there.
Second note: This is the last comprehensive post on online game» I intend to make. I have posted mountains on this topic already. I’ve reached a point where my experimentation is over. My online game» is now, officially, exactly where I want it to be. As always, I will continue to contribute to mASF and answer questions on online game». My new PU focus will be MLTR management from now on, since I’ve now got online game» “down”.
End of notes.
What I’m about to describe the culmination of an experiment I began last December. And the experiment worked…if you’ve been watching the field reports forum in the last few weeks you’ve seen my name on lots of LR’s within a confined period of time, more so than normal.
I will lay out why I changed what I was doing (that was working, just not as well as I wanted), how I changed it, and the new (amazing) results it provided. Take from it what you will.
Note that 100% of this “new stuff” is strictly with online game». However, I have NO doubt whatsoever that a lot of this can be successfully applied to any other game that requires a day2. I’ve gotten so busy with laying chicks that I have (temporarily) shut down my daygame activities anyway. Daygame was always my “backup” to online game» anyway, so this is OK. Online has always been my staple.
As you may already know, I’m a big numbers-tracker. I’m a businessman…numbers are my yardstick. My objective in PU has, and always will be, the following: Maximum sex with minimum drama, from the minimum amount of work, time, and money, without having to stay up late into the evening.
I track lots of things, but the key item, the most important thing I track is this:
The number of first meets it takes to have sex with a new woman.
Using online game» or daygame, I have always been able to get hot chicks to agree to meet up with me for a first meet or a day2. I track my first meets in terms of blocks of 10. I take 10 “first dates”, follow where each of the 10 go, and see how many I fuck and/or get sexual with. Then, I draw a line, and track the next 10, hoping to tweak my approach and improve my lay ratio.
Up until December 2008, I was fucking at least one, usually two new women for every 10 first meets I scheduled from online. On top of that, I would get sexual beyond kissing, but wouldn’t actually fuck, another two.
This was pretty good. I whenever an MLTR or FB left my life, I could just hop online, implement my system, schedule 10 first meets, and I within a week or so I’d be fucking one or two new HB’s. And get some BJ’s, titty-sucks, and other fun things on top of that. Not bad.
But I started looking at the other 6 or so women out I was meeting and getting no where with, and getting pissed. This was a lot of time and effort for letting these women float away. And most of these women were really hot. After about two years of hard work in PU, this was my last, remaining SP…these 8 or so HB’s that I would meet but never get all the way to the full f-close.
I started to closely examine the behaviors of these women. I noticed that in most cases, they clearly liked me. They thought I was cool. I would k-close most of them with no resistance. It just never went past the first meet or the day2.
I and others have made several posts on mASF about k-closing chicks so easily, and then never seeing them again. This would happen to me a lot. These women would happily, often hungrily, kiss me, then I’d never see them ever again.
What I found out was this was some kind of buyer’s remorse…more specifically “delayed ASD”. Yeah, she’d LOVE me on that first date…but 24 hours later she felt shitty for being “such a slut on the first date by actually kissing that guy she barely knows…OMG, that’s what sluts do…not a put together girl like me.”
Here’s the problem:
On the online first meet, I WAS STILL A STRANGER.
A hot, cool, attractive, classy, desirable stranger. A man, in many cases, unlike any she had ever met. But still a STRANGER.
So I thought, “What if on the first meet I wasn’t a stranger…but already a friend?” I experimented a bit, and changed this to…”What if, on the first meet, I wasn’t a stranger or a friend, but she felt as if we were ALREADY DATING?”
And that was it. That turned everything around.
I changed my system so that by the time I met her for the first time, comfort had already been achieved to such levels, sex was just the “next step” for her.
Here’s what I changed.
Before, I would just blitz a bunch of emails out, schedule a first date with a chick, then almost completely ignore her until we actually met. MAYBE a few more emails, MAYBE a few texts, but that was usually it. Then I’d go on my first meets. I felt like a “first date machine”. I did get laid, but it was time consuming. (I have posted much on this, DAFS if you’re interested in specifics)
My approach was this:
1. Open.
After realizing what I had been missing, I changed my approach, so that once I scheduled the first meet with a woman, I had to use that time between now and the first meet to fill her with so much comfort (since attraction really wasn’t my problem) that she would feel on the first meet that her and I were almost ALREADY DATING.
I wanted to PILE comfort on top of her. Not a little, but a TON. All of which without making myself look needy. I started calling it “Comfort Bombardment”.
So, as an experiment, I changed my system to this:
1. Open
As I said, I normally fucked one or two women out of ten first meets and got sexual with two more. An approximate 15% first date lay ratio (sometimes 10%, sometimes 20%, so I’ll just say 15%)
So I changed my system, and then had ten first dates with ten new women.
I fucked four of them.
As of this writing, I’m not quite done…I am very likely going to fuck an additional one, possibly a second one, making the total 5 or 6.
No shit. Even without these possible additional 2, my lay ratio has tripled.
And it gets even better. Most of my lays are on the day3 or day4. Some of these were day2 lays. Also, I usually spend around $50 to $60 to get to the lay. 3 of the 4 new lays I spent less than $15 (and the one that wasn’t was purely my fault).
Below is the exact list of my last block of ten online first dates and how each ended up. If it says “LR Posted”, that means I posted an LR on that woman in the last 4 weeks or so if you DAFS.
1. HBGlasses – Very cute, but she LJBF’ed me right after the first meet. We are still “buds” (one never knows…).
2. UGFat – A complete shot in the dark for me…didn’t check her pics well enough. Bad Blackdragon»! She was cool, but fat as hell. Nexted fast.
3. HBRunner – Beautiful 25 year old redhead with the most beautiful hair of any woman I’ve ever been with in my life. Blew me on the 2nd meet, fucked on the 3rd. Only spent $14 grand total. (Two LR’s posted, one for the BJ, one for the lay) Has since become a very solid, effortless MLTR. Probably my overall favorite of these ten women.
4. HBDD – Chubby but cute 19 year old with DD tits. Fucked on the 2nd meet. Spent NO money. (LR posted) Has since become an fun FB.
5. HBGorgeous – A 23 year-old perfect HB10. As is often the case with HB10’s, she was a little bitchy and ultra-high maintenance. Find some other guy, Princess, I don’t do drama. Nexted fast. (To be honest, she wasn’t that into me anyway…I think she detected I wasn’t going to be her sugar daddy. She was right)
6. HBCuteBlonde – Cute little blonde college student. Got her naked down to her pants on the 2nd meet, fucked on the 3rd. Only spent $11 grand total. (LR posted) Has since become a solid MLTR and the woman I now see most often (primarily because she has the most flexible schedule of all my FBs/MTLRs).
7. HBTightBody – Smoking hot as hell 22 year old of Greek descent. Fucked on the 4th meet, and spent too much money, and she very likely had some kind of STD. But hey, one imperfect lay out of five is cool with me. (LR posted) I took precautions, and I already had an STD test myself planned a week after fucking her (all tests came back negative, thank god), but still…not ideal. I’m still trying to determine what to do with her. She’s fuckin’ hot, but she’s definitely got something “going on”, and on top of that she’s scatterbrained and flakey as shit. Future uncertain with this one…a next is likely. But a great lay…those wild chicks are great in bed!
8. HBMilf - Very hot-for-her-age, physically fit, hardbodied 49 year old. She travels 5 days a week, every week, and every other weekend I have my daughter, so as of this writing we are only on our day2 (where we were sexual but no actual sex). Our next meet is “movie night” at her place, at HER suggestion. I think I know what she has in mind. We’ll see.
9. HBTiny – Cute, short, 36 year old Asian who looks about 28. She was clearly into me and I could have fucked her, but frankly, I got so busy with getting laid, I let her float away. In retrospect, this was a mistake and I should have fucked her, but I was getting overwhelmed with pussy. (I already had two regular FB’s on TOP of all of these new women…my sex schedule was getting out of control.) I kept her contact info and perhaps I’ll slow track her or long game her. We’ll see.
10. HBWild - Decent-looking blonde 30 something with nice fake tits who had already been married twice. Very intense with a bitchy streak. She pulled a fast one and showed up with a female friend at our first meet. Jesus. I smell trouble. Fun to hang out with though, and has lots of other hot chicks in her social circle. I LJBFed. I want to plug myself into her social circle and meet some of her HB friends. Maybe I could turn her into an FB later(?).
So there you have it. Those ten women I met over a period of about 2 weeks. It took an additional 2 weeks to fuck half of them. Four new lays in one month…that’s exactly what happened when I changed my approach. Even then, my new approach wasn’t refined at all…I was just trying something new. And on top of that, a lot of my meets were with that “god damn table” in between us which fucked up my kino. And ON TOP OF THAT, what’s also interesting is that I got really sick in the middle of this and was out of the PU game for a good 5 days straight, which historically, I can tell you for a fact, would have murdered my momentum. In this case, it didn’t disrupt it at all.
I was amazed. Truly.
“OK, that’s great Blackdragon». Now will you shut the fuck up and tell us exactly what you DID????”
Here are the specific changes I made. Note that some of them you may already be doing, and some of them may not apply to your type of game at all. This is just from my standpoint running online game». Take as much or as little as you like.
1. I stopped sarging all women over the age of 33. I found in my own numbers that 82% of all day2s, day3s, and day4s that went no where were from women 34 and older. So they are officially out. Prior to this I would sarge all women from barely legal to late 40’s.
There is ONE exception to this: If an older woman opened ME, AND she was very hot, AND there was a clear, obvious sexual vibe going on, coming from HER. Then I would allow an exception (this exactly described MBMilf, above).
BUT, other than that very unusual case, I have officially boycotted all woman over the age of 33 from my online game» from now on.
As for the reason WHY women are like this…I could really get into it, but it would be a little off topic for this post. So I’ll summarize:
In a woman's mind, sex occurs in a "casual" environment, a "dating" environment, or in a "relationship" environment.
Women under the age of 33 and under are comfortable with sex in all three environments.
Women 34 and over love sex in casual environments (thus the term "cougar") and love sex in relationships, but really hate sex when in "dating but not serious yet" environments. It's a powerful new form of ASD that "activates" when a woman turns 34 (or thereabouts).
Now, if you bump into a 34+ HB at a club or during daygame or something, by all means, fuck her…get her into that “casual sexual” mode. BUT, the problem with dating site game is that it automatically places a woman (in her mind) in the “dating” environment. Even if you are a very non-traditional “dater” like I am. Once a 34+ woman is out on a “first date” with online game», that’s exactly what she thinks it is, a first DATE. No matter what your frame is, this is what she’s thinking.
And yes, of course, there are always exceptions. I don’t want to fuck around looking for the exceptions, thank you. No opening women over 33 for me via online any more.
2. Since I was more stringent on the age thing, I became a little less stringent on my physical appearance requirements. Normally, I only clicked on pics that were SHB’s. Now, I started clicking on (a little) more pictures that were just hot, instead of totally hot. I did this to offset the fact that I would have less prospects if I ignored all women over 33. I always want a large pool to draw upon. (Despite this, I still did not overtly violate my long standing rule of only fucking HB8’s or higher.)
3. After my experience with UGFat, I demanded that any women I was emailing over a dating site that only had neck-up pictures MUST email me a recent full-body shot (or show me her full body pics on MySpace, or whatever). If they didn’t comply, I crossed them off the list and moved on. Remember, I’m going for minimum amount of first meets that go nowhere, including the ones where I don’t like HER.
4. Once I scheduled the first meet, I activated the Comfort Bombardment System. I usually schedule my first meets 3-5 days out. My objective, during this 3-5 day time frame, was to just throw massive amounts of comfort her way, from now until the actual first meet. BOMBARD her with comfort (and some DHV’s too). There are many things you can do, but here’s what I did, steps A through E:
A. Once the meet was scheduled and we had exchanged phone numbers, I immediately sent her to my MySpace AND Facebook pages (yes, BOTH), and make sure that either I or her sent a friend request, so we became instant “friends”.
Several months back, I attempted the Race and Kelly thing of sarging on MySpace. My results were horrible and I dropped it. But I did end up with pretty cool MySpace and Facebook pages (mostly my MySpace page), full of DHV’s, pictures I’ve taken from all over the world, and lots of hot chicks as friends and as comments on my pages. As well as more pics of me, so they can get a good feel for what I look like and what I feel like. (No, I will not provide links, sorry).
Often, these women would start communicating with me via MySpace and Facebook once we were friends. This would both make her more comfortable with me and drive up her BT.
B. I also sent them to my own business web site. This site basically sells my professional services and is one giant DHV about me and how great I am from a business standpoint. There are also a few very well-taken photos of me on there as well. I was shocked, but this business site really turned on a lot of chicks, including the young teenage ones, who I honestly thought wouldn’t give a shit. (No, I will not provide links, sorry).
If you really interested in this, and if you don’t have web site like this, just make one yourself! What the hell? Can’t hurt. I just wouldn’t lie, but that’s me.
C. Instead of just emailing once or twice, or ignoring her completely until the day of the meet, I made SURE to “venue-change” her from emails to either 1) A 30 minute IM conversation, or 2) an actual phone call, lasting no more than 30-40 minutes or so. I would actually track in my master spreadsheet whether or not I had a good, long conversation with this chick prior to the first meet, either using IM or the phone.
Now, I’ll be honest. My phone game is very good. My text game is very good. My IM game is now pretty good too. All three of these things are really just from experience and practice. If your phone game/text game/IM game sucks, get out there and practice! That’s the ONLY way you can get better (that’s how I got better).
But the point is I made SURE that she “talked” to me and we established some serious rapport BEFORE the first meet, even if she was reluctant to do so…because sometimes I had to force the issue of a phone call or IM conversation (because woman are “busy”).
D. If there was some continued email communication during this Comfort Bombardment stage (sometimes there was, sometimes there wasn’t), I would either do my Myers Briggs personality testing over email (DAFS if you don’t know what this is…I’ve talked about it before), or I would email her sexy stories, using lots of rich descriptions (special thanks to…you know who you are).
But EMAIL WAS NEVER ENOUGH. That’s what I WAS doing, and I wanted to boost the communication way past email into phone, texts, or IM.
E. And yes, during this entire time of communicating during Comfort Bombardment, I was running heavy game. Sex talk, DHV’s, stories, routines, negs (only if she was REALLY hot), making her laugh, not being needy, acting like an arrogant prick, etc. I’ve posted many of my IM conversations so you can look those up in my LR’s if you want examples of what I’m talking about.
Those above items, A-E, “comfort bombardment” is my biggest change.
5. OK, step 5. Once we met in person, I kept my sequence and “confident and don’t give a shit” routine exactly the same…with one very significant change. I completely eliminated ALL K-CLOSING ON THE FIRST MEET. That’s right, you heard me. It’s heresy to say that on mASF, I know. But it worked and I now have empirical evidence to prove it. I purposely DID NOT K-CLOSE any women on the first meet. The only exception to this is if the sexual fire on the first meet was so powerful that she was DYING for a kiss. Of the 10 women, only HBTightBody fell into this category (And guess what? She was the longest and most expensive to fuck…coincidence? I don’t think so). But she was the ONLY ONE of the four (possibly five) I fucked that I actually kissed on the first meet. ALL THE OTHER WOMEN I DID NOT K-CLOSE ON THE FIRST MEET. ON PURPOSE.
ijjjji, TVA», and a few other guys have talked about refraining from kissing a girl, I will expand on this briefly from my point of view.
The main reason for this is that I don’t want to trigger any “delayed ASD” that I was experiencing earlier. The second reason was that the sexual tension was already there on the first meet, and I didn’t want to kill any of that. In ALL cases, ALL of these women were dying to get sexual on the second meet, BECAUSE THE SEXUAL TENSION WAS SO FUCKING HIGH. Important Note: I DID kino on the first meet, very much so, just no kiss.
So bottom line, on the first meet from online, run heavy, heavy, kino, but don’t kiss. I realize that sounds odd. It still sounds odd to ME. But you simply can’t argue with the results.
6. On the second meet, I went into super-calibration mode. I watched very carefully for any horniness. If I saw ANY, I pushed for isolation. Normally, I would have waited until the day3 for this. No more. If I saw sex in her eyes on the day2, I would make SURE to isolate for the lay (or BJ, or other sexual activity).
I would STILL maintain my system of not pushing hard for the lay if I got resistance on the day2. Using my sequence, Gunwitch-style “push for the lay until she blows you out or fucks you” occurs on the day3, not the day2. But I would still TRY.
7. This final method has not yet paid off, but it will take some time to do so, so I’m going to stick with it. Historically, the women who I met who didn’t go anywhere, I would just let float away. NOW, I try to “make friends” and insert myself into HER social circle. Why? Who do HB’s know? Other HB’s!!! That’s right! I want some referral-fucks! My goal is to fuck at least one chick over the next few weeks that was a woman I met from a woman I dated who didn’t hit it off with me. This will take time to exploit, but I’m a patient man. I’ll let you know who this goes.
So that’s it in a nutshell, kids. How I went from 1-2 lays per 10 first meets to 4 lays per 10.
As of this writing, I’m into my second set of 10, and so far, the results look the same…I just fucked chick number 3 of the second 10 last night. I’ve finally reached the point where my “get laid” portion of PU is officially done and mastered, at least to my satisfaction.
As usual, I have much more detail on this topic, and I could get way more into specifics, but this has been a long-ass post already and my typing fingers are getting tired. So I’ll stop here.
I’m happy to answer any questions as always.
Yes, this is the post I've been promising for a while. Sorry it took so long. I've been busy (getting laid).
2. Very brief email convo.
3. Schedule first meet.
4. Have first meet.
2. Very brief email convo
3. Schedule first meet
4. COMFORT BOMBARDMENT during the 3-5 days leading up to the meet.
5. Have the first meet, with a slightly different twist in escalation.
